Maybe he'll get all distorted and strange looking, but reality will look normal. :)

Doesn't the power of the ring weaken the farther it is form Mordor? I am recalling from reading the books over 25 years ago when I was a kid so I may be dead wrong.

Having not read the books, and not being fully involved in the myth of LotR, I would offer this conceit as a means to solve that potential problem:

The distortion that Frodo experiences has more to do with the Restoring Power of Sauron than it does with the magical power of the ring. In other words, the distortion is a result of Sauron's re-emerging power and not of the ring itself.
Therefore, when Bilbo wore the ring (in The Hobbit), the power of Sauron wasn't nearly as strong as it was in the trilogy and the distortion effect isn't nearly (or at all) noticable. Perhaps near the end of the movie version of The Hobbit (as it gets closer to the time period of the trilogy), the distortion could begin to manifest.

Jackson will probably edit it so that if you play the yet unfilmed Hobbit movie backwards it synchs up perfectly with Dark Side of the Moon.

This is good news. It's not my most popular literary position, but I always liked The Hobbit better than any of the LOTR books.

Rob MacD-
that is a good interpretation and from a movie standpoint I would agree with you because that seems like what Jackson was trying to do but, nothing is distorted in the book, but I think that is a very good reason for JAckon distorting it by showing a connection between the ring and Sauron.

I really really hope they make a movie for the hobbit it was an awsome book and so adventurous and gollum was awsome in that book

I have no faith in Jackson with this film. I mean, they ask him "Now that LOTR is done, what do you want to do?" and he says, make King Kong!?! Okay...

they should find a way to bring legolas into The Hobbit movie. he was alive back then anyways b/c in the lotr he was 2931 so...yea.

bring legolas into a book-movie that he's not supposed to be in... why do people insist on changing masterpiece novels when they become movies, obviously some things have to be changed, but adding whole characters isn't cool. the 2nd lotr movie has the most variance from the novels and that's exactly why the first and third movies are better.

good call about the ring distortion effect, jackson has put himself in a bit of bind cuz that whole effect isn't in any of the books, then again so is the part in the 3rd movie where gandalf seems to be flying through space or something when he gets sent back to middle earth cuz his task isn't complete yet.

i think he shouldn't try to make up some sauron-ring growing connection explanation, instead just shoot scenes where someone is wearing the ring from another person's perspective, and only at critical times cut to a distorted, bilbo perspective.

as for the ring's power changing based on it's distance from mordor, that is basically correct, frodo feels the ring getting heavier as he approaches mordor and mt. doom, and this weight is not primarily in his mind and soul, not the physical weight (although maybe physical weight too, who knows).

The guy who wrote after me is right. It would be nice to have legolas in it..but it would be all messed up. I also heard that they are going to bring arwen into it. Arwen wasn't in the book! jackson is a cracker.

It would be odd for them *not* to have Legolas or Arwen in the scenes involving their
fathers in "the Hobbit". Like what, Legolas and Arwen have to be off at school in
Wittenburg (Lothlorien, if you don't like Hamlet) when Bilbo passes through their homes?

But they'd be cameos, or bit parts, unless one chose to take a lot of license. But PJ
takes lots of unnecessary license. I mean: he still owes us a Glorfindel, making just
as bad a mistake as Bakshi did with that. Where's Glorfindel? Its just not fair...

This discussion of Legolas or Arwen having cameos applies equally to Aragorn actually;
he is a great friend of Bilbo by the time Frodo meets him and I can easily imagine him and Arwen like totally making out in the background of every scene shot in Rivendell. Or equally likely, he could have a bit part of befriending Bilbo and telling him all about Lord Elrond, who is always grumpy, either because he prefers the Matrix or because he doesn't approve of his daughter's taste in Men...

i heard glorfindel was supposed to be hott. i hated that they put arwen in his place. but..w/e. maybe legolas could be in the part when they came to mirkwood. he was prolly 1000 or something...not like he was little or anything..

Oh, I like Yoda, Maybe they could have him in the background teaching some young elf how to use the force. Or Shaq is pretty cool what if he was in the background shooting hoops with a couple of trolls and Hagrid. Oh what about John McClane, I love him, maybe he could be in the background resueing some dwarfs from some terrorist Orcs and Goblins.

...okkk...? you're gay..

The reason its all distorted, is that it is building up powerfrom mordor.

you are all freaking out for no reason, if peter jackson decided to make a hobbit movie, and if he's already released this news to the press, then whatever he plans on having in the movie is already decided. you will just have to wait for it to come out in theatres. it's not like he is actually goignt o read this post board and think to himself, "hey that would be good to put into the movie, i'm glad i'm not the director abnd don't have to do this al on my own"

In LOTR, the One Ring, and it's "master", are trying to find one another. While Bilbo and Gollum had the Ring in The Hobbit, Sauron was without power, and had no reason/power to find th Ring, nor did the Ring want to be found.
I wander if The Hobbit will only be one film. It could EASILY be two, or maybe even another triliogy... that would be incredible!!!

Having read all the novels, I am in doubt of the novelty of the outcome of this future project, even if Peter Jackson is directing. In my opinion, The Hobbit is more of a children's story, but it is the one I enjoyed the most. However, this is a prequel; a prequel to the three big spectacles, all critically-acclaimed. Nothing much happens in the Hobbit, not until the end and not as big as any of the climaxes of the three. If New Line had a thorough grasp of everything, The Hobbit should have been made first. The problem is that Peter Jackson was so excited to jump to the trilogy. The Hobbit may probably be good, but would never be better than the three and never would be at par with the three.

al of you who claim that the nearer the ring wearer is to Mordor, the more distortion and dizziness there is are wrong. as many people have already said, it is becasue Sauron has no interest yet ion the ring, that Bilbo does not experience the same effect when wearing the ring. When Frodo wears it, Sauron feels its presence and is searching desperately for it. After all, in the Hobbit, Bilbo is much closer to Mordor each of the many times that he puts on the ring, but we are not told of this dizziness that Frodo experiences, (and which is discussed in LOTR).

Even though they were not in the book, I think that Legolas and Arwen should be in the movie for (reversed) continuity. Just my opinion. Purests might disagree.

These posts about Arwen and Legolas being in the Hobbit film are completely ridiculous. There would be absolutely no need for it. Theres plenty of other characters that need to be introduced in the film without two already established characters taking away from it. And considering they aren't even in the Hobbit makes these hopes for them to be in the film even more preposterous. The only purpose for Arwen is for a female role in a male-dominate cast. However, this idea of re-introducing Arwen in the Hobbit still makes no sense and would cause the screenwriters to have to make quite a stretch with their material if they were to include Arwen or Legolas.
There really isnt any reason to add/remove/change many characters from this story... except maybe the so many dwarfs in the story considering that would be far too many drarfs for an audience to have to handle and remember in a 2-3 hour film in which there are many other characters as well.

Wouldn't removing dwarfs destroy the whole premiss of the movie. The dwarfs need an extra person to join them on the adventure because 13 is an unlucky number.

I think that when rebelious Baggins dons the "precious", with pinky extended,that it has the effect of a hit of acid. Perhaps he would be transported to a fantasy land that has dwarf babes performing lap dances for Manwe while committing the ultimate forbidden act. Shaving their beards. OOOOOO AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! Butter me up with some Ent sap!

Besides, the LORD of THE RINGS trilogy is the greatest movie i have ever seen. All their casts did their best moves and actions. Hail "LOTR" and fans.

Bilbo Baggins
Lost his leggins
While porking Frodo's ass
So he took out his ring
And stuck in his thing
Causing it to grow two sizes two fast
Hold on dear hobbit
Uncle Bilbo can't stop it
And Frodo lost his head from the blast.

Whats with the song, Monk?
Your an idiot. Porking? Seriously, your scary!

And about Legolas and Arwen in The Hobbit.It would be cool, but they changed LOTR enough.

Yeah, like that guy said, Monks an @$$hole!

NERD!

Having read LOTR and the Hobbit several times, I think Rob MacD (March 8th) has the best answer to the Ring issue. One thing about the ring in the movie, If it fit Sauron's gloved hand, it should have been massive on a Hobbit's.

The only official news I've found concerning the Hobbit. (Don't hold your breath)

Mar 6, 11:30 AM (ET)
By The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) - Peter Jackson won't be returning to the Shire any time soon. The Oscar-winning director is planning to film "The Hobbit," the prequel to "The Lord of the Rings," trilogy by J.R.R. Tolkien, but two studios must first fight over legal rights to the film.

Jackson said New Line Cinema has the rights to make the movie, but MGM has the rights to distribute it.

"I guess MGM's lawyers and New Line's lawyers are going to have a huge amount of fun over the next few years trying to work it all out," he told reporters recently in Los Angeles, according to AP Radio. "I'm obviously busy for a couple of years on 'King Kong' so those lawyers can just go at it for a long time."

Jackson said if he were going to direct the movie, he'd want it to feel like the rest of the trilogy. On Sunday, Jackson won an Academy Award for best director shared the adapted-screenplay award with his two co-writers for the final "Rings" film, "The Return of the King."

"I'd want Ian McKellen to be back as Gandalf, I'd want it to feel like it was part of the same mythology that we've done with 'Lord of the Rings,'" Jackson said.

Hey Theoden In the movies when frodo first puts on the ring it shrinks and fits to the size of his hand

I don't think that Bilbo will need to be distorted or have reality distorted in the Hobbit movie. The book makes no mention of distortion in The Hobbit as it does in LOTR. If you remember the Isildur and Gollum scenes in the LOTR movies where these characters wear the ring in flashbacks, they aren't distorted.

I don't recall seeing the ring shrink to fit Frodo's hand. I think we only saw the ring shrink after Isildur grabbed the ring from amongst the charred and desecated ruin of Sauron's severed fingers...

As far as the "distortion" effect when Frodo put on the ring is concerned, I don't recall any mention of such diostortion in ANY of the Tolkien books. Rob MacD's explanation sounds interesting and elaborate, but as he said he never read the books. Aside from the sense that Rob's suggestion makes from within the context of the story; as a film director I think PJ simply meant for the distortion effect to be a visual tool to let people know that putting on the ring was just a plain old "BAD" thing to do. And by providing a sinister looking surrounding whenever Frodo did it... and tying Frodo's gradual "falling into shadow" to not just the stab from the Morgul blade but also to the heavy burden the ring imposed upon him, PJ was able to visually reinforce for the audience the idea that like Rob MacD said, there was a connection between the ring and evil in general including both Sauron and the Ring Wraiths. And sure enough as the trilogy moved forward and the burden of carrying the ring increasingly weared away at Frodo, people I spoke to who saw the movies but had NOT previously known the story were wondering whether Frodo was going to become deformed and corrupt like Gollum (or Bilbo in that brief scary clip in Rivendell) or evil and ghastly like the Nazgul.

ya'll r all obsessed nerds for LOTR!!! i like LOTR too but i am not all over it! like and always talking about!
i think it would be cool if Legolos returned to the Hobbit and i don't care what they do to the movie!!

by the way what is joel's last name? cause i think iknow u... answer me please!

i am dying for "joel" who wrote somethig up top to answer me!

i am dying for "joel" who wrote something up top to answer me!

My granny likes oatmeal.

Hey, Margaret. Can I visit your granny? I like oatmeal too!

Margaret:

Bid Bad Wolf is no other than the big bad Wolf!

DO NOT REPLY TO HIS MESSAGE!

hey guys!
is any one going to talk to me?(i hate oatmeal!!) what is the "joel's" last name that typed in at the top?

I'm sorry for showing any amount of creativity for my limerick. Maby I should spend some more of my valuable time discussing the parallels between the Genesis account and the beginnings of the Silmarilian.
Repeat this ten times in the mirror.
"My opinion counts damn it, and I know it does because I control the world and ah ah..... have communion with Tokien's spirit.
He said so too, so there. WHaaaaaaaaaa."
Please its okaaaaay not to be completely serious all the time.

Oh and by the way the ring and it's effects are Peter's visual interpretation for dramatic presentation. It's ok since the LOTR is based in fantasy to bend the translation for the sake of art. Besides, look how Hollywood treats actual history.
So please don't lose sleep over this issue, after all..........ITS ONLY A MOVIE!!!!

the ring didnt have the same power because the dark riders werent out, also bilbo would have noticed it was like that and would not have worn it

my last name is Kreger

my last name is Kreger

let me kick it fo the suge daddies,

The ring can change size at will. that is how it slipped from Isuldur's grasp and got him killed. that is why frodo wheres the ring on a chain,well that is what the book says...... a fannie pack might do the trick

i like your poem monk.

I have been reading the books for about four years now and have read them over and over again and i agree with Crowley Man yah the ring has a will of its own and can change size at whatever time it wishes

personally i think that the ring gets heavier to frodo because he is getting closer to Doom but also because the ring is tempting him to take it away for himself and use it for his own good (like peer pressure)
but who knows what tolkien really was thinking at the time

and about adding Arwen and Legolas ya it would be cool to see them in the background in rivendell and mirkwood but whats the point they're not in the book at all and that would take away fromm JRR Ts dream.

who cares how they are going to have the view of both bilbo invisble and the spiders and smaug PJ will figure something out but i hope for the hobbit they keep it with how tolkien wrote it

Of all the people who posted on this subject the only one who I think actually read the books was "ME" the guy who posted on 9-3-04. for the rest of you who said you read the books but have inaccurate information you're trying to pass off as correct, you should either re-read the book once you learn what "the big words" mean or you should just probably shut up. gratz 2 "ME" for his great post!

Also, the point of Tolkien's books were not the huge battles that the movies made them out to be, even tho that was awsome. The Hobbit would be a great movie, even without the big battle at the end. As far as the issue of the distortion the ring causes in the movie, it will be very easy for PJ to just make something up as a reason for it, he's pretty good at that.

Me no like beg words.
Me tink dat you all miss point.
Read da Silmarillian an u mite learn sumfin.
Melkor jellus uf Eru's creation.
Sauron only follower uf Melkor.
He want all power.
Elfs are Eru's big favurite creatures.
So, Melkor wants to go boom boom to Elf heads.
Melkor goes oopsie and fall down.
Melkor go to to jail in tru da Door uf Nite past da Walls uf da World, into da Timeless Void.
That bad place, like my private place.
Sauron make bad ring.
Now the powers of da world watch, to see what Eru creations do to stop him from destroying Arda.
OH
An me know how to color in da lines..

ME HAPY

In other words its about us (Quendi/Atani/Hobbits/) against the machine (The master ring).
Hippie terms: Fight the corporate pigs, man.

well you obviously know that story of the silmarilion, but what does that have to do with anything that was being discussed on here. congratz for knowing the story but why did u post it?

Maby you should read the previous posts.
I already stated my opion on the ring and its effects.
So maby you should do your own research on what I have stated.
Dumbass.

i think i would be ok if arwen and legolas made small appearances in the movie but not to much considering they weren't in the book.

as for the distortion when the ring is being worn, in the movie Gandalf says "the ring has awoken" so at the time The Hobbit took place the ring hadn't awoken yet so maybe it might not be so distorted. but thats just my psychotic opinion.


by the way kimi.....i dont know who came up with legolas's age being 2931 but nobody really knows for sure. sum ppl think hes only bout 700 but u never know......no offense to u tho.....i wonder y tolkien didnt put legolas's birth in the appendicies like he did arwen's........

i would also like to say i agree with Rob macD (march 8th) on the matter of distortion while wearing the Ring.

i would also like to say i agree with Rob macD (march 8th) on the matter of distortion while wearing the Ring.

apparently my last post accidentially got sent twice OOPSIES!

First off..Hobbit movie..yes a thumbs up purely on a selfish level as I have enjoyed Peter Jackson's "interpretation" of the books..The Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit have been books I have revisited for the past 25 years having first read them aged eleven so by now they are like old friends...God I'm even starting to sound like Bilbo!...critic...Tolkien stated that the LOTR was a Mythology for the English..a missing ancient line that he felt he needed to add as other branches of our history become either Celtic,Gallic or Scandanavian/Germanic..(Rohan is obviously totally Saxon/Germanic) to him it was a history, an unalterable fact and as such hated with a passion any change to his story...he didn't even want it split into 3 books.That was forced on him by the original publishers unwin&allen .Hobbits are the "English" (again Tolkiens words).He himself placed Hobbiton in the woods around the then much less urbanised Birmingham,England...reason for this ramble is simply to say that the movies are good..really good..but to many changes...bizzare accents (especially Merry & Pippin) the definitive renditions of LOTR and The Hobbit are still the Books. Second to these the BBC Radio 4 editions..I'd reccomend anyone to get these if they can.PJ could have just stuck to the form of the Radio play's(he appears to have lifted gollum & Sam from there anyway, vis a vis accent and mannerism) and produced a superior version..I totally agree with those lamenting the loss of Glorfindel as well. However to have opened LOTR and Tolkiens works up to a wider audience is fantastic..a new generation can explore Middle Earth and a film of the Hobbit could only be a Bonus..but Pete..don't change ANYTHING..just film it with modern effects etc..Tolkien was a far better story teller then PJ could ever hope to be.
Knuckle draggers more than welcome to post "Fuk u asole" saddness...MENSA members..ooh I hate to capitalise..just remember it only means you APPLIED.

I think we somehow slipped in through a wormhole.
Somehow we managed to achieve time travel.

Where have all the past posts gone?
Long time passing.
Where have all the past posts gone?
Long time ago.
Where have all the past posts gone?
Brad fucked up the time continuum everyone.
When will he ever learn?
When will he ever learn?

Don't rip off your readers.
If our opinions can be deleted,
I ask you why post at all.

Yes! Boycott Brad! He's curbing our freedom of speech and is no better than so many tyrantial dictators we've read about in school. If I had to choose between suppresion of "The Lord of the Rings"/"The Hobbit" and death, then I choose death! C'mon say it with me! Brad Pineau, we won't go! Brad Pineau we won't go!etc.

Brad Pineau, we won't go, dammit!
My God what's next?
No colors or retards on your post?
Holy kryptonite, he's killing our freedom.

Bradly Pineau, SHAME ON YOU!

Yeah Bradley, what gives?!?! Brad Pineau=Sauron
We demand an explanation! What's a matter? Too scared?
Oh yeah, isn't "Pineau".......FRENCH?!?!(No offense to French people as long as you aren't Brad Pineau)

Maby this outrage is a demonstration is part of a french separtist conspiracy.
Maby we are only puppets entertaining Brad's deeply seeded french frustrations.
Please Brad, don't stab your poster boys in the back.
"Et tu Bradly, Et tu?"

Lots of passion and info on this topic. I have to reply to "CJ":

While Bilbo and Gollum had the Ring in The Hobbit, Sauron was without power, and had no reason/power to find th Ring, nor did the Ring want to be found.

This is completely wrong. Sauron was overthrown in Mirkwood by the White Council, in the Hobbit - that is what Gandalf did when he left the party before entering Mirkwood. Sauron definitely had power, but he feared the ring lost, so being immortal, he waited - then he heard rumors that the ring had been found - that is when he went searching for it. And since the ring had been found, he knew he could restore his full power. since no heir to Elendil had been claimed, he did not see a way in which he could lose. On the ring wanting to be found, hah, well it did try to jump off Gollums finger as soon as a non-orc was available to be its new "host" and its way out of the mountain.

CJ is on the right track, but has missed the big picture.

Posted by CJ on June 4th, 2004 at 9:56 pm AST [email]

In LOTR, the One Ring, and it's "master", are trying to find one another. While Bilbo and Gollum had the Ring in The Hobbit, Sauron was without power, and had no reason/power to find th Ring, nor did the Ring want to be found. ...

Aye ... Pyrocane ... Sauron had power in "The Hobbit" and The One had its on intelligence. That, among other things, allowed it to change size and mass which aided it in the reason it was created - to lure power to Melkor's Chief Lieutenant, Sauron - its "Creator." (but I disagree with the "non-orc" comment - see Isildur below)

"Creator" is the accurate descriptor; not "Master".

The sole purpose of The One was lure power to the Eye (Sauron's new form). After all, that was why it was made, and how The Seven and The Nine were corrupted, desecrated, and subdued (Yes, I know some of the The Seven were consumed by dragons - so exclude those).

Whoever holds The One is its "Master," but even then, the Ring only empathizes the thought of mastery upon its holder while trying to deliver its "Master" to its "Creator". Its lure is centered on the "Lust for Power." Invisibility being its basic power to ensnare. The more Power the Master calls forth from the Ring, the greater control the Ring gains over its Master to subdue him.

Look at all the characters tempted by the Ring (both in the Movies & the book).

Examples:
- Isildur claimed it through battle (an honorable deed), but succumbed to the lure while on the Ring's home tuff. The Ring had him, but could not deliver him because his creator had no form and could not be found. When it realized that Isildur was hoarding it and exiling himself from Gondor (power), it attempted to "jump ship" when Isildur came across the orcs.
- Deagol lusted for the shiny gold.
- Smeagol immediately lusted for it on sight as well - murdering for it and was thereby, easily ensnared. However, he never "Lusted for Power" and after he was exiled from home only wanted to hoard "his Precious" and be left alone which he stealthily accomplished.
- Bilbo never "Lusted for Power" beyond the desire go unnoticed by undesirable encounters. And when he found it, The Ring merely saved its new master from its old master who was going nowhere. Hobbit-like respect was more in demand than power. Besides, what is power to a hobbit? The Mayor was arguably the most powerful hobbit, and because of it he enjoyed a few more meals than the average hobbit.
- Gandalf is not a hobbit but understands power. He desires more of it to fight the enemy, but answers his lust with wisdom by denying the gift of the Ring.
- Frodo as a hobbit (see Bilbo) was well educated about the Ring and as such was able to resist the Ring till his succumbing to it in the end, which required Gollum to play his final but important part (see Isildur above). But notice, until Frodo used the Ring on Weathertop, he only kept it secret & kept it safe. Afterwards, he was entrapped by the Ring to the same degree as Bilbo.
- The merry hobbits loved and respected Frodo much more than the desire for power, even though the Ring tried to entrap Sam with invisibility and the deceptive appearance of a great Elf-Lord (He still loved Frodo more than the Ring).
- Tom Bombadil was his on Master and could resist, no make that deny the Ring of even its basic entrapment, invisibility.
- on & on & on ...

Saruman is the strange exception, but not really. His lust for the "Ring of Power" and how to make a Ring of Power for his own was so great that it delivered him to the Eye without even seeing the One Ring. He delivered himself to the East when he used the Palantir of Isenguard to gaze upon Baradur.

Hmm, so the "Lust for Power" was used by the Enemy in more than one tool. I guess that will be another thread :)

After further offline debate with Pyrocane, I may have to adjust my theory.

If the dual purpose of The One was to both get back to Sauron and bring along with it the most power it lure into alligence with him, then its possible that it could deliver a power that was equal or greater than its creator such as a holder of one of The Three or wielder of The Sword of the West/Numenor (i.e. Elrond, Gladriel, Gandalf, or Aragorn - possibly Saruman since he made his own Ring of Power, though inferior).

If that was the case, then why would the intelligent Ring bring about its creators destruction?

Unless The One did not know that it was actually more powerful than its creator. We know that Sauron could not be destroyed without destroying The Ring, but could the The Ring survive if its creator was destroyed? And in doing so, become its own master?

OK ... getting a little crazy now.
Time to logoff ...
And get a reality check ...

Actually, for those who don't have their facts strait, there's a good posibility that Legolas will appear in The Hobbit.

Let me explain,
During The Hobbit, the Dwarves and Bilbo are caught in Mirkwood by The Elves. They get held captive by the Elven King, Thranduil - Legolas' father. When being captured, it's very possible that Legolas would have been aware of the intruders. It's also possible that he could have been amongst those that captured the travellers, as he probably led the defense of the woodland borders.

Farmer Maggot needs to lay off the "shrooms"

What exactly was Tom Bombadil's role in the story? And what was he? I forgot.

Legolas could fit into hobbit screenplay, as I rememember that the company of dwarves are the less than willing guests of an elven king in mirkwood, and I believe Legolas is the son of this king, sent to Elrond with bad news concerning Gollum/Smeagol.
As to the effect of the Ring while worn by Bilbo, Sauron is at this time a phantom after his defeat by Gil-Galad and Elendel and believed the ring to be lost beyond reach, it was after all under the mountains, and his powers diminished,and I think the connection between them is next to nothing, so, Sauron does not need a big mention in the screenplay. However, as Tom Bombadil did not get a mention in the movie, I suspect that Beörn will also be excluded from the hobbit,and that is taking advantage of artistic liscence.

dah!
the only reason it was destorted like that is cause th EYE was looking at him, after shmeegal told where the ring was located the eye fixed in on the ring whenever it was worn, but not before he knew his location

Whoever said something about Legolas's supposed "father" being in The Hobbit is silly. Legolas is a Northern Elf (from Mirkwood) and is fesibly alive in while The Hobbit takes place, but we don't come in contact with his father specifically to my knowledge.

I don't understand why people are so infatuated with Arwen and Legolas, sure they're cool characters, but there would be no way to work them into the story EXCEPT with stupid little cameos. At that point, is there a point to bringing them in at all? Just to draw in the girl fans that think Orlando Bloom is hot and the guy fans who think Liv Tyler is hot? Stupid...

As an avid Tolkien reader and re-reader many times over (not JUST the LotR series; Books of Lost Tales, etc.) I was more dissappointed that they left some other characters out, like Tom Bombadil. In the book, they don't focus on it much, but they allude to it strongly, that Tom Bombadil is almost a creator-like being, having been alive from what they refer to as "the beginning." I know he doesn't play any integral role in the story (probably because he isn't war-like at all), but just this concept alone is very intriguing to me.

For those of you who don't read the books 1) do read them and 2) understand that they were never meant as some fantastical war novels. It is an epic, a TRUE epic, read them for the beautiful writing, character development, and they way they pull you in. If you think the movies are addicting, wait till you read the books.

Mirkwood is Legolas' home. He lives there. Why wouldn't he be in the background in his own house? When the dwarves are being dragged to the dungeons, so what if you see him in the background to make LOTR fans happy. Is that going to ruin the movie to have him seen in his own bloody house? As for the distortion of the ring, In Hobbit, when Bilbo puts on the ring, he doesnt at first realise anything is differant until he sees that he is invisible to his shock. In the Return of the King when Sam puts on the ring in Cirith Ungol, the landscape changes noticably. It becomes cloudy like a dream... distorted. Peter Jackson just "boosted" it a little. It was clearly stated in all the books that the rings distortion is directly related to Sauron's knowledge of the rings finding. Since there is no distortion when Bilbo wears it, and there is when Sam wears it... that proves it. Jackson won't have to make any distortion at all in the Hobbit.

I think it would make complete sense to pick up the rings movies where they left off. The Hobbit was written for children. Let Sam read it to his kids. This would allow for information to be inserted from the appendecies inbetween reading the story, it would allow Sam to "re-think" the changes in the Riddles in the Dark Chapter, and it would let the audience see distinct things about his daughter who serves Elessar. This would be a prequel, but only in the timeframe which the story takes place, the movie would actually take place in the fourth age and it would be able to include all of the characters still left on middle earth, thus allowing for a proper ending to the trilogy with all of them eventually leaving. Given...this would be a long movie, some of the appendix stuff would most likely only be possible in an extended edition, but, so what!

THe Hobbit is a great novel so are LOTR. Putting in characters that do not belong in the story does not make sense. You all that are desperatly in love with Legolas are nothing but fat idiots who dress up like wizards and warriors and fantasize of being one. Keep things original. Try to substain your sexual urges for Legolas.

Bilbo: Frodo! Frodo!
Fiddle sticks. Where is that boy?

In Farmer Maggot's field 4 young lads play with a deadly artifact.

Pippin: Let us peek at it again.

Merry: Yeah, Frodo we all have one.

Sam: Don't do it sir. They only want it for themselves.

Frodo: Only a glimpse, it won't be long before Bilbo discovers that its missing.

Pippin: Where did he find such device.

Frodo: On an adventure with Dwarves, so he tells. He said that it carries strange powers only Gandalf truly understands.

Merry: Sick old codger. Why would Bilbo let that queer old geezer hold it.

Frodo: They've been friends for years. I guess Bilbo trusts his techniques.

Merry: And you say it shinks? To any Size?

Pippin: I hope it grows for me. I've been known gag a troll with my willy.

Sam: There's more meat on Maggot's shrooms than on your wrinkled prick.

Pippin: I'll stuff your mouth with my taters Sam. See how you like the taste of that.

Frodo: Please stop fighting. I'll show you.

Frodo pulls his pants down. Sam steps in front to shield his masters nakedness.

Pippin: Why don't you bend over for him you stipid gardner. Now get your ass out of the way. We want to see.

Frodo: It's okay Sam.

Sam steps aside. They all look in awe at the ring.

Pippin: It really works.

Frodo: It keeps the blood in the shaft. I can hold an erection for hours.

Merry: Can I try. I know a certain Rose bush that needs trimming.

Sam: You stay away from Rose.

Frodo: Come on lets get back before Bilbo notices that his cock ring is missing.

Back in the Shire.

Bilbo: I'm sorry Gandalf, I can't find it.

Gandalf: I told you to keep it secret, keep it safe.

hi i don't know if it is real or not but it looks pretty real a hobbit trailer saying that smaug awakens dec 2006 i hope it is real i know a year or so there was a fake hobbit trailer floating around and i hope if they do make the hobbit that it is done as a trillogy it could easily be divided into three parts i believe it was in the book anyways pre mirkwood mirkwood and post mirkwood would each make a good movie

I think it will look normal....because the power of Sauron isn't as great as it is in the LOTR Trilogy. It may look a little like the 1 time Frodo puts it on in FOTR. I think it will look normal. I think that it should just be made into one movie because nothing much really happended before Mirkwood, in Mirkwood (except the spiders), and after Mirkwood except the awakening of Smaug, and the Battle of the Five Armies. I just watched all three of the LOTR Movies on Monday and it took me about 11 hours and 53 minutes. I will probably watch them all again + the Hobbit and i don't want to be sitting there for another 17 hours if they make it into 3 movies. I don't think Arwen should be in The Hobbit...She got 3rd in line for The LOTR Trilogy..I think she should have been like 12th down or something like that.....I think that the Hobbit will come out in 2006 Christmas or late 2005. They have to make the hobbit!!!!! Because The Star Wars Saga is ending in May!! I want the LOTR to go on for anther year at least....AND Gollum is going to be in the Hobbit also, but for a little bit...I want Smaug to be voiced over by John Rhys Davis, Ian Mckellen, or Christopher Lee.

Heres what i have to say. I read the books 3 times and im 18.
The trilogy was dope, i'll give you that, but the magic died out after the first movie, admit it. The Ents were spectacular, but like the great eagles? blah might as well have had steven segle in the movie. Therefore, since all the magic really lies within the shire, making the Hobbit into a movie should be awesome. you could shoot it with no really expensive effects and if it was acted right with the right music then it would take a watcher away much like the first time a spellbound me watched Fellowship. Adding people to the movie is pretty silly, like someone said PJ isn't JRRT and thats for SURE. The movie would, however, have to either be really long or somehow fantastically acted because there are many many scenes that would take up lots of time ie. beorn, bombadil( damn u for leaving him outta LOTR) the fatass dwarf falling asleep in the woods, etc. splitting it into part 1 and 2 maybe would be okay, but otherwise the movies just seem to go through the motions of telling the story with human bodies instead of dancing braincells. So unless PJ has some REALLY good plans i dont even think he should bother .. fuck MENSA

It would be awesome to make the hobbit into a movie....at least i think so. And i hate it when people use naughty words(TIM). MEOW!!!!!!

You're stupid Monk (and not to mention gay and perverted). Only a gay pervert would write that kind of thing. U disgust me. Besides, it's gross. I hate people like u too!!!!

the distortion is pj's take on a visual interpretation of the event being painful for frodo. if you read more carefully you will find that it is a pain for frodo only, not bilbo. why? because sauron wasn't looking for it when bilbo had it. the ring had not heard its masters call until frodo was in posession of the ring. so i don't think there should or will be any scenes distorted in the hobbit film.

Seeing as how Peter Jackson left out the whole Tom Bombadil section of the LOTR trilogy, stating that it "wasn't integral to the overall story", do you think he would do the same with Beorn from the Hobbit? Afterall, he DOES kill the Great Goblin in the end and saves Thorin(sort of). And how would he handle the descriptions of the dwarves beards? blue? Besides, how could they make dogs serving dinner not look comical?And would the Arkenstone be part of the story? In the end, I won't lose sleep over it but it would be nice to see a movie reflect an entire book.

dude ur an @$$ o if you think they are gona make it you frikin posted this 2 boob boob 4!

You all need to get a life.

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Maybe you could have arwen and all her kinky hot elf ladies in a hot tub doing stuff that you would do in a hardcore porno. and bilbo walks in and joins them.

I wanna suck your balls

i dont think it will, because it was distorted with frodo, because the power of sauron was rising and was strong. i think it wont be because bilbo had it wen sauron was weak. at least thats wat i think.

I agree.. I think the power of Sauron made the ring a lot stronger. (and no evil rathes to look out for)

I have not read the book because I'm a poor college student and I only have time to study. But I'm sure the this movie will be awesome!

Sometimes I begin to think people will surprise me.
Yet I must admit that most people only regress to childish heckling.
It's sad to hear such profane accusations of gay perversions towards my person.
The Meowster has all the indications of a justified hypocrit.
You claim to have high morals and values.
Maby you would ever consider yourself a born-again deceiver.
The only bile that spews from your twisted lips is hatred.
Thank God Tolkein didn't lend an ear to the creatively-impaired like yourself or the
legendary epic might not have been written.

Frodo: I might be a Baggins but as long as the Old Took runs strong in my veins I don't mind a proper shakin' by the ladies.

I dont know about you guys but i cant WAIT til' they make the LOTR on the big screen!!! Yeah!! Has anyone seen Sin City? now THAT was awesome!

You obviously have too much time on your hands you queer!

It's gives me great pleasure to get such a awesome response from all my fans.
Whether you hate me or love me, you are why I write my bullshit remarks.
Once, again thank you and good night.

With Love
Your One & Only
monk
or as some have come feel towards me......

anti-monk

The sinister shadow slips though the starlight
towards the faint outlines of Hobbitton.

Bang! Bang! Bang!

Farmer: Who is ringing on the bell at this hour?

Answers the door.

Farmer: Do you realise....Oh dear....

Wraith: BAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Famer: Begins? Begins with what?

Wraith: BAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSS.

Farmer: Beggin's? I have nothing to give. Say, unless you want a bit of the old South Farthing pipe weed? Say, it's a lovely evening for blowing smoke rings. Wouldn't you agree?
Say, you smell like a rotting pile of elf shit. They think their shit don't stink but let an old hobbit tell you.........

Wraith: BBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Farmer: Oh for the life of Gandalf I can't make a word you're saying. Maby if you try charades I could. Oh its a fun game it is. Just try....

Wraith pretands to throw groceries in a bag.

Farmer: Shop? Food? Groceries? Bag? Bag? Is it bag?

Wraith nods head and puts a hand in his hood.

Farmer: Head? Nose? Hood?

Wraith: In, you hairy footed mole. The word is IN. For fuck sakes the word is IN.

Farmer: Baggins?

Wraith: Yes, for the love of God, I want Baggins.

Farmer: Well there aint a Baggins for miles. They live in the Shire.

Wraith: You'd think for all the power Sauron possesses he could at least get his directions right.

Farmer: How about that smoke?

Wraith: Fuckin light me up.

Concerning putting legolas into the hobbit. While not in the book, Legolas was not an elf from Rivendel nor was he an elf of Lothlorien. He was an elf of the woodland realm and I believe that he resided in Mirkwood. Now it has been way too long since I read "The Hobbit" but I think that the elves of the Mirkwood took the dwarves and Bilbo prisoner.
Thus even though Legolas was not in the Hobbit, his being in the movie would not mess up the continuity of the film. Nor would a cameo with Arwen in it mess up the film since she would have been at Rivendel when the Dwarves came through.

For those of you purists, if you thought that PJ took too many liberties with the changing of the stories for the films, he explains many of the reasons for the changes. In a nutshell many of them are done to heighten emotions for the viewers during the movies.

Books are not movies. Movies are not Books. I contend that while some scenes written about in the book can never be matched by any film, I believe that some of the scenes outdid the movie, and many of the scenes were the most emotionally charged parts of the book.

The fight with the Balrog was breathtaking, and amazing. The battle at Helms Deep isn't much longer than a paragraph in the book, but is incredible to watch. The Battle of the Pelenor Field was simply stunning. The arrival of the Rohirim to the Battle and Theoden's speech was great and then Eowin defeating the Witch King was made better by the fact that the dying King see's who is savior is. In the book He never knew that it was Eowen that saved Him from being devoured by the Fell Beast carrying the Witch King.

I think that the two pieces of literature should be separated. They are two different mediums. A book can be read over weeks. A film must fit into a very short time span. A book does not have to constantly build the emotional pitch with each chapter. Books rarely do this. While the emotional pitch does increase, the author will often go on side tracks, retreat into narratives, etc. Film does not allow for this. There simply is no time.

Frankly if PJ had tried to be true to the books completely, he would have made movies that only Geeks like myself could have enjoyed. Remember all of the back story that is in them. Remember all of the little things that happen that have less importance (Tom Bombadil for example).

I for one thought PJ's adaptations worked for the most part. And he only ommitted a couple of things that I thought he could have left in (Gandalf's confrontation with Saruman should have been in the theatrical release of ROTK)

Yes I have decended into a new level of Geekdom, and I doubt that anyone will read this dribble, but there you have it.

Well said.....

Geek!

Good point. On the other hand, since Orlando Bloom is neither immortal nor unaging, by the time "The Hobbit" actually gets around to being made, he may be at a point where he would be better cast as Thranduil (Legolas' dad).



Actually, she probably wasn't there. She spent a lot of time in Lothlorien, and was only in Rivendell on a short visit when twenty-year-old Aragorn first saw her. (Depending on whether you use book or movie chronology, Aragorn would have been ten (book) or mid-twenties (movies) when Bilbo, Thorin and Co. came trundling through. In the latter case he wouldn't have been there either - he was off on his travels by then.)

Maven

I heard there cant be a movie because miramax wont give rights to new line. I figure they wont have an affect because bilbo doesnt even realize hes invisible and i assumed there is an affect because the ring was awakened and was being drawn to sauron so it was more evil

I think that while Bilbo had the ring in the Hobbit, the power of the ring and Sauron was still weak. They would gain more and more power as the dark side population continued to grow. The more people that chose the dark side, the stronger their power would become.

I read somewhere else that they already had the rights. But I also heard that it would be several years before they actually started to produce it. Has anyone else heard something about this?

For crying out LOUD, learn to spell, Monk. The word is "MAYBE". It's not a difficult one. Do they have dictionaries where you come from, or just second-rate bathroom-stall poetry?

Bottom line: 13 dwarves, a hobbit, a wizard. No time for an Arwen. No time for a pre-pubescent (elf-wise) Legolas. If one takes seriously the ideas of people on this post who want to put Arwen and Legolas into a Hobbit movie, it would be far better just to make a parody. Leave 'em out! Besides, haven't you all seen enough of the freakin' elves? "The Hobbit" story is about DWARVES! It would make more sense to focus on dwarf history than to drudge up some nonsense about Legolas' "wonder years". Leave 'em out!!

Hey what's wrong with writing sonnets while purging the bowels?

Then again MABY you're wright i shud juz lurn two opin duh pajes uv mie Webbster!
Thanks for pointing out the errors of my ways.
Oh yeah..... and thanks for caring.

I do have a question for you.
Why the obsession over short ugly men with overgrown cock ticklers?
Sounds like someonse needs a chromed out dill buddy with a couple of AA's to release some anal retention.

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one thing i have to say- the LOTr movies were good, and since i must agreee the hobbit in its own right was much simpler, it shouldnt be much more costly or time cnsuming to make the hobbit. i hope he makes the movie. it would compleate everything, because NO ONE would attempt a Silmarillion movie. (unless they broke it down into a small story like 'The exile Finrod' ) hehe

I agree with the above statement. The Silmarillion seems simply too complex to make into a movie. Unlike Lord of the Rings, the Silmarillion covers copious amounts of material in only a few pages. Plus, it would be really corny. Trying to cram the whole history of middle earth into 3 hours would be impossible! The LOTR movies did very well. I enjoyed them emensely! The Hobbit would be excellent as a movie! I can't wait to see Smaug and Shelob's cute little daughers! OH BOY!!! Hope they use some of the same actors, though.....

Biggle giggles, lick me on the nipples.

Lollipops, lollipops me have pants to drop.
Ooopsies, Scoopsies, no paper to wip me poopsies.

All that i have to say is that if Peter Jackson makes The Hobbit, he will have a HHHHHUUUUGGEEE challenge ahead of him. Many people think that the battle of Pelenor Fields was big, but that was NOTHING comparing to the Battle of the Five Armies!!

And about the Silmarillion, Joface is right. No one in their right mind would make let alone watch the whole book into a mpvie, unless your into reading history textbooks in one sitting, because that is exactly what it is. That is, plus a few language textbooks at the end, for good measure :)

I THINK THAT THE HOBBIT SHOULD STAR GARY BUSY AS BILBO AND STEVE GUTENBURG AS GANDALF. HOW FUCKING COOL WOULD THAT BE. IT WOULD GO UP THERE WITH THE GREATS LIKE POLICE ACADEMY OR POLICE ACADEMY 2.

"I THINK THAT THE HOBBIT SHOULD STAR GARY BUSY AS BILBO AND STEVE GUTENBURG AS GANDALF. HOW FUCKING COOL WOULD THAT BE. IT WOULD GO UP THERE WITH THE GREATS LIKE POLICE ACADEMY OR POLICE ACADEMY 2."

Are you sober?

i really like the lord of the rings and the hobbit, and hate finishing them. i never really felt like the movies were done very well, im not a perfectionsit or anything and im not particularly padantic, i just dont think they felt like the book. in my opinion despite good intentions they fucked up the film with a flimsy somehow corney script and shit casting- orlando bloom cant act, all he does is stare into the distance, squinting, convinced hes in some sub standard shakespeare play, and arwen.

the hobbit would work better as a movie if they has the balls to do it properly, instead of setting out to try and make it a carbon copy hollywood blockbuster. its really sad to see arguably the most loved books in history become decidely ordinary film. im not saying i could do any better, well actually, screw it, yeah i am, gimme 10billion quid or whatever and i'll make a film which really is the tolkien of fantasy

Take that ten billion quid and buy yourself some English.
Shakespeare is turning in his grave.

A classic hobbitt quarrell
This was once posted before deleted from this blog!
Be warned Brad holds the power.

Posted by Look at the quality of that sausage.... on October 6th, 2004 at 11:35 pm AST

First off..Hobbit movie..yes a thumbs up purely on a selfish level as I have enjoyed Peter Jackson's "interpretation" of the books..The Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit have been books I have revisited for the past 25 years having first read them aged eleven so by now they are like old friends...God I'm even starting to sound like Bilbo!...critic...Tolkien stated that the LOTR was a Mythology for the English..a missing ancient line that he felt he needed to add as other branches of our history become either Celtic,Gallic or Scandanavian/Germanic..(Rohan is obviously totally Saxon/Germanic) to him it was a history, an unalterable fact and as such hated with a passion any change to his story...he didn't even want it split into 3 books.That was forced on him by the original publishers unwin&allen .Hobbits are the "English" (again Tolkiens words).He himself placed Hobbiton in the woods around the then much less urbanised Birmingham,England...reason for this ramble is simply to say that the movies are good..really good..but to many changes...bizzare accents (especially Merry & Pippin) the definitive renditions of LOTR and The Hobbit are still the Books. Second to these the BBC Radio 4 editions..I'd reccomend anyone to get these if they can.PJ could have just stuck to the form of the Radio play's(he appears to have lifted gollum & Sam from there anyway, vis a vis accent and mannerism) and produced a superior version..I totally agree with those lamenting the loss of Glorfindel as well. However to have opened LOTR and Tolkiens works up to a wider audience is fantastic..a new generation can explore Middle Earth and a film of the Hobbit could only be a Bonus..but Pete..don't change ANYTHING..just film it with modern effects etc..Tolkien was a far better story teller then PJ could ever hope to be.
Knuckle draggers more than welcome to post "Fuk u asole" saddness...MENSA members..ooh I hate to capitalise..just remember it only means you APPLIED.


Posted by monk on October 9th, 2004 at 4:47 am AST

Thanks for clearing that little discrepancy up.
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Sorry I seemed to have dozed off.


Posted by Look at the quality of that sausage... on October 11th, 2004 at 11:18 pm AST

oohh...did the little monky wonky get sleepy..well lot of reading for a ten year old..bless


Posted by Look at the quality of that sausage.. on October 11th, 2004 at 11:23 pm AST

"maby you should do your own research on what I have stated"..If I was you (sic) Monk I'd start with English...


Posted by monky wonky on October 12th, 2004 at 1:40 am AST

Fact is, I already knew what you stated.
You see I'm not only a band wagon LORD OF THE RINGS fan,
I'm a all around Tolkien fan.

Besides if you have something to say at least have some wit other than boring factoids.
You blistering hemorrhoid.

Suck it sister.


Posted by monk on October 12th, 2004 at 1:59 am AST

Who would like to continue discussing "Sausage Boy"'s ability at mental acrobatics,
or maby get back to Bilbo's ring dilemma.

I really don't want to hear how thrilling it is to be Taco Bell's employee of the month.
No, I don't want to hear how exciting it was to finally
put the finishing touches on his mother's basement.
A Cory Haim poster always brightens the room.

Seriously, lets get back the issues at hand
instead of how to handle a sausage.

ouch, sorry monk, didn't realise this was a english exam

I think they should show legolas in the movie even if he doesnt really appear in the book. They should show him from far or next to his father and probally say one line and then disapear. The movie would get good publicity knowing that orlando bloom appears once again as the legendary lord of the rings character, legolas. I hope i gave a valid enough of an opinion. Please take in consideration. Thank you.

I think they should show legolas in the movie even if he doesnt really appear in the book. They should show him from far or next to his father and probally say one line and then disapear. The movie would get good publicity knowing that orlando bloom appears once again as the legendary lord of the rings character, legolas. I hope i gave a valid enough of an opinion. Please take in consideration. Thank you.

hi,
to the lotr fans, i love u all.
to the hobbits fans, i heart u all.

On the Issue of Legolas being in a movie adaptation of the Hobbit, it would not break any of the history created by Tolkien. While Thranduil is not mentioned by name in the hobbit, it is known that he is indeed the king of the wood elves of mirkwood fot the entire third age (see unfinished tales) and is therefore the 'elvenking'. Therefore it would be stupid not to have legolas in the movie, maybe in the background when the elvenking is talking to the dwarves after they are captured, because as he is the son and probably heir of thranduil then he would have a place at court.
(In the fellowship of the ring gloin(one of thorins company) and legolas have an altercation during the chapter 'the council of elrond' and is therefore possible that they had encountered during the dwarves imprisonment in the halls of the elvenking)
On Arwen, it would probably be more difficult to include her in the hobbit as she is often dwelling in both lothlorien and rivendell and
therefore it would be doubtful at whether or not she was residing at rivendell at the time of the dwarves passing.

To TheTolkienCompanionIncarnate you've got to be kidding yourself. The battle of five armies cannot compare with the battle of Pellenor Fields as the battle of pellenor fields was the greatest battle of the age. There was probably only a few thousand present at the battle of five armies, while pf had hundreds of thousands

Personally, Peter Jackson's screen play was terrible hack of classic storytelling. He did things that were unnecessary and violated JRR Tolkien as an artist. Maybe this group think needs to re-read LOTR. Chris Nolan should direct The Hobbit....he did an outstanding Batman Begins and believes in the original source material. Peter Jackson must think himself a better writer than Tolkien. I view him as a thief who defiled LOTR.

Personally, Peter Jackson's screen play was terrible hack of classic storytelling. He did things that were unnecessary and violated JRR Tolkien as an artist. Maybe this group think needs to re-read LOTR. Chris Nolan should direct The Hobbit....he did an outstanding Batman Begins and believes in the original source material. Peter Jackson must think himself a better writer than Tolkien. I view him as a thief who defiled LOTR.

Please, Keep to the original classic...do not put Arwen or Legolas in the movie because they were not in the book. Honor the novel and stop changing the artist work. I would like for once to see the Hobbit follow the storyline exactly. LOTR was a bastard version without the soul of JRR Tolkien who is rolling in his grave.

I have a couple things to say regarding this thread. Please forgive any spelling and gramatical errors. No spell-chek and I actually don't own a dictionary.

First off I have seen that trailor that says Smog awakens 2006. I really doubt it is real. It looks like a very well down hack job from the extended DVD's. Almost all of the scenes are there. The dragon? That I recognize from somewhere, but I am not sure of the source.

Legolas and Arwen in the Hobbit. Never read the book, but I am going to disagree on this one. Why pay high end actors such as them to have a bit shot. There is little point from a buisness end of things. The story is about 13 dwarves and a hobbit. That I am sure of.

I looked at the various websites available to Weta and the like and seeing that Peter Jackson has stated that if he mad the hobbit he would like to keep the same feel. This would logicaly mean using both the Weta Workshop and Weta Digital again. Nothing on the websites say anything about the Hobbit. Going with this flow of information along with other news articals that claim the lawyers need to sort things out, I would imagine nothing has been resolved.

As for the pointless ramblings of some others I am not going to comment to them, but to the rest of you. They are like children having tantrums. They post those pointless posts for attention and nothing more.

As for the distortion effects it seems quite obvious as to what will happen. In the movies Smegal put on the ring and had the same effect as Frodo. That having happened before the Hobbit should answer the question.

Thats where I stand on the subjects. For those of you who don't understand why things were left out, rent the special addition 4-dvd sets of the movies and watch the appendicies. That should solve a lot of your questions. Glorfindal was left out because in the long run the Story of Arwen and Aaragorn had more appeal. Placing her as the one to rescue Frodo was good way to bring her into the story.

Tom bombidil (Sp?) was not so much left out as not mentioned. It could have happened...we just didn't see it. Placing the elves at the battle of helms deep is a good way to repeat the allience of men and elves introduced at the begining of the Fellowship. Think of these changes from an artistic point of view. Visually drawing parralells helps.

Ellis

I am really happy that the Hobbit is going to be a movie because it is a great book! I love The Lord Of The Rings and I can't wait for this film! Thanks Mr. Jackson!

I hope they do make the Hobbit Movie that would be great but they should of made the movie first before the 3 Lord of the Rings. I really miss Frodo Baggins i was a fan to him he will be in my heart forever. Why would he make Hong Kong that is so old like in the 30s or something. I don't know if its me but did Peter Jackson changed? I'm glad they make this kind of movie without this movie i wouldn't do this. I heard they are gonna make this "HOBBIT" movie next year and i hope Frodo Baggins would be in it. I hope i can be in it becaus i dress as a hobbit everyday and i don't care what people say to me like "There Goes Frodo" lol.

Please stop making fun of lord of the rings. And stop making fun of Frodo. Frodo is my man. I wish the whole people in the states was a hobbit it would be great and wonderful. Maybe i would live in a hobbit hole and live like one YAY!!!. thanks and eat more MUSHROOMS!!!

Get your facts straight Laura Baggins. There is no way that Frodo could take part in the Hobbit. If u knew anything about the Lord of the Rings you would know that Frodo was born in the year 1368(Shire Reckoning, 2958 of the 3rd Age), 27 years after Bilbo set off with Thorin Oakenshield and Gandalf on the Quest of Erebor. Therefore if a movie was to be made unless Peter Jackson or whoever makes it has a brain fade there is no way that Frodo could appear in the Hobbit.

(Even if the movie was set as Sam reading the story of the Hobbit to his children, as has been suggested above Frodo could not appear as he gave the red book of Westmarch to Sam when he departed middle Earth so Sam wouldn't be able to read it and have Frodo in the Background, although you could have Merry and Pippin could be at the telling of the story too)

Hey everybody. Not to be a downer or anything but the trailer for the Hobbit movie is not an official trailer from New Line. It's only a fan trailer created by Steve Latham of Latham Films for fun, since he is a big fan of the books and movies just as we all are. He used footage from the Lord of the Rings movies & also the movie Dragonslayer for the scenes of Smaug.

See this link: www.lathamfilms.com/hobbit2.html

The trailer looks really cool & I hope that the movie turns out to be as good if not better when it does get made.

But as far as I know they are still sorting out the rights to an official Hobbit movie, but I hope it gets made and made right!!!

Much as I like the characters of Arwen, Aragorn & Legolas, both in the books & in the movies, they aren't necesary to the story & I think anything beyond a brief cameo appearance of these characters is pushing it solely for the purpose of drawing in fans of these characters.
Great characters, but not integral to the storyline of The Hobbit.

They need to focus on the main characters of the story:

Bilbo, Gollum, Gandalf, Smaug, & Thorin Oakenshield & the Dwarves

It would be great if they had Beorn in the movie, but it wouldn't surprise me if they left him out or only had him in briefly, since he too, like Tom Bombadil, is not an integral part of the story.

I cant wait till the hobbit comes out!!! i was in a play of the hobbit it was wonderful! I played Gloin. Since then I became a HUGE LOTR fan and read all the books. if you have never read the books you should try,it gives you more info and you get it SOOOO much more,plus its a great adventure story.

I do not like the part of Peter Jackson of making sauron this big eye. If you have read the books you know sauron still has a physical form.

I'm surprised that no one has even considered that Bilbo, the main character in the hobbit, won't be played by Ian Holm. I say this because Ian Holm is 74 years old. In The Hobbit, Bilbo is supposed to be middle aged or younger(don't remember exactly). Sure, they can do quite a bit with make-up and special effects these days, but I don't think Ian Holm will be physically able to play the part (ex. Running around fighting giant spiders, jumping over orc guards, etc...). So, all of you worrying about Legolas and Arwen being in the move (why not give them cameos?), you're going to be in for a big shock when you realize that Bilbo isn't Bilbo, if you know what I mean.

This blog is becoming a battlefield laid waste by purists, nerds and by enlarge people who don't understand the need to satisfy share holders and turn a profit.

I've heard Star Wars fans rant about letting Peter Jackson direct Star Wars I & II because they felt George Lucas destroyed the Star Wars legacy. Now I hear a suggestion that Chris Nolan of Batman Returns should direct the hobbitt. Holy Fuck. What kind of shit for brains
thinking is this.

I myself am honoured that I lived to see some of the greatest myths of our time to grace the silver screen. Lord of the Rings is a fantastic trilogy on in own right. For all those who bitch and moan about deviating from the source material have to relise that the movies at one time almost where considered as one feature.

PJ gave us three. Not three in 3 year lapses.
PJ gave us 3 consecutive movies in three years BACK 2 BACK!
The studios have a responsibilty to turn profits. If the movie stayed rigid to the source material you'd not be having this debate because the movie would never exist.

Most people can understand a man with bat ears running around in tights beating the shit out of insane clowns because they grew up on that garbage. This is true of the Star Wars legacy.

How many grew up on Tolkien other than the children of hippies and Bob Dillan fans. Today's give it to me now society would not understand Frodo waiting around Forty years before heading out to destroy the ring or singing and drinking for months in Rivendale. This would detract from the urgency today's ADHD movie audience would have in understanding the need for destroying the ring.

Today's movie going pimply faced brats need video game tie-ins and stupid catch phrases
as a reason to peel thier fat greasy asses from the couch and shell out thier parents hard earned cash.

Remember todays features are aimed towards thirteen year old kids that think smoking is evil and think nothin at having oral sex parties.

^^Wow..That had to be the most pointless, and stereotypical thing I have ever read.


WOOO Make The Hobbit!~~~~So i can sign up to be an extra!

I think they should give Legolas a cameo, It'll be interesting to see Balin in the Hobbit and see how the darkness of the ring is alluded to in the hobbit, - if/when the stupid movie is made

How old is ian holmes anyways????

Some of the locations that they filmed in have changed, like hobiton i heard they have powerlines or somthing like that there now??? what would PJ do about that????

If it weren't for stereotypes there wouldn't be a basis for maket demographics.
The corporate machine feeds off stereotypes.
Sorry if i offended anyone, because I'm only stating the truth.

The hobbitt should be made. If that means dropping Legolas into the mix in order to draw the female teenage dollars, then that's what corporate will do.
Sex and violence sells the Tolkien merchandise.
Ironic since that's exactly what Tolkien stood against.

Whatever it takes to get the Hobbitt to the silver screen PJ, get it done.

Spelling Error: market demographics - on last post

Posted by Shane on August 1st, 2005 at 6:09 am AST [email]

How old is ian holmes anyways????

Ian Holmes is actually the latest achievment in animatronics.
PJ's only complaint about the controlling the robot was the rising cost
of oil. Apparently Ian requires a large amount of lubrication.

Exerpt from Popular Robots Magazine
Ian: "That fucking android in aliens looks so goddamn fake! I could of kicked Riply's ass....that whoring space slut....bitch......bitch.........bitch.......does.......not...........com..pute.."

Little known fact. Ian Holmes auditioned for Bishop but was denied the part based on the fact.... he's a fucking robot.

Ian: "They tell me I play a better human. FUCK ALIENS!!! Fuck Riddley Scott!!! Fuck You!!! Where the hell is the oil. Someone get me my fucking petrol."

It may by time for Ian to lay off the Texas Tea.
:)

Monk you rule!!!!

To put Legolas and arwen in the hobbit would be pure heresy...

And you all know... HERETICS BURN IN HELL!!!!

i for one am very excited about this movie. i hope he will do it soon. i have been very into th lotr stuff lately and just cant get enough.

I got really excited when i first saw the hobbit trailer but soon enough i realised that this could possibly not be an official trailer and that got confirmed here on this board. Hopefully pete will get the job done and we'll have a very merry christmas in some years' time.

Now i just check the board now and again, but i don't see the fun in the messages from monk. Excuse me but get a job, have a life!!

Sham on!

I think that they should make a movie from the jrrt's book the silmarillion. This book is the ultimate prequel.It tells the story of the beginning of the elves, men, dwarves, etc. It also shows the beginning of Sauron,and the reason he became evil.

Frodo experienced distortion because the ring had awoken. Earlier in the film Bilbo wore the ring without the distortion as the ring had yet to awaken. Therefore Bilbo will have no distortion in the Hobbit when he puts on the ring. Also Arwen and Legolas could "legally" be in The Hobbit movie. Bilbo visits Rivendale, where Arwen lives, and finds himself in northern Mirkwood among the Wood Elves, of which Legolas was one.

Tolkein wrote The Hobbit many years before he wrote the LOTR books. Back then i don't think he had come up with Legalos and Arwen as characters yet. Does this mean he wouldn't want them to make breif appearances in a Hobbit move when it would have been possible for them to be?
With Tokein's stories there is always more going on then he is able to tell us about. So, yes I think he would like to have them included in The Hobbit movie, even though he hadn't created them yet.

I think that making the hobbit movie would be a great idea but if they are they should definately use the same actors as in the LOTR trilogy, at least Gandalf. Also, as a reader of both the Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy if you read closely you may notice that in the Hobbit it states that one who wears the ring will disapear although there shadow can still be seen. Because of this bilbo is often hiding in the shadows when wearing the ring. The funny thing about this is that it was not mentioned at all in the LOTR book trilogy or in the movies. That seems quite odd to me that an author would forget about something like that. I wonder if bilbo's shadow will appear in the hobbit movie or not.

i just want to say that i think putting characters into the movie just for the sake that people think they are 'cool' characters is retarded. Arwen of Legolas should not be put into the hobbit movie.

As an assistant producer of the lord of the rings trilogy i just want to say that knowing Peter Jackson personally, i know for a fact that he was not planning on making the hobbit into a full length feature film. The reason for this was that JRR Tolkien was not happy with the alterations made to his books when making the movie.

If you have any questions about this please email me at gdillon@lotr.com

Wow! "...JRR Tolkien was not happy with the alterations made to his books when making the movie." Mr. Dillon, I guess you can talk to the dead, seeing as how Tolkien died in 1973!!! Nice try "ASSistant producer"!

Hi Jay, Jason, J.J. Big J Man
I know some people don't find the whimsy in my little quirps.
Then again some people don't like nuts in their peanut butter.
Point is, who fucking cares.
However for someone who is bored from wasting their time reading my remarks,
you suffer from closet hero worship.
The line "Get the job done" was from my previous blog.
That's right you tried to rip me off you mindless vampire.
Suck the blood from someone else's genius.

Next time you want to fuck me, at least take me out to dinner!

Ian: I could of played a great Bishop. (Sob)

PJ: Oh shut the fuck up Ian. You barely pulled off Gandalf.

Ian: Please Peter I only want to be loved.

PJ: You're lucky if you make it in the Hobbitt, I have Willam Shattner on the line.

Ian: Oh sure now you want sex appeal. I'm old, wrinkled and smell of fermaldehyde.

PJ: You do look like shit Ian.

Ian: Fuck that Captain Kirk and his infernal Enterprise.

PJ: Think of it. Bilbo, the shire's most eligible bachelor is beamed aboard the starship Enterprise on a quest to destroy the evil tribble Smog.

Ian: You're a fucking moron.

PJ: I like it.

Pickle me green, Tickle me pink,
On me finger lives a little stink.
Spank me red, Beat me black
Me dipped me finger in me crack.

I have seen the trailer and it is truly wonderful. Ian Holm, Ian Mckellen, and Andy Serkis are starring. The release date is December 19, 2006. I know I'm one fan of many who can't bloody wait!

Be nice to Gandalf The Hobbit is coming to the big screen December19, 2006. I have seen the trailer, and all I can say is wow!

monk i not only find you hilarious but ingenious. however we will all still love you when you came out of the closet, face your feminine side. and if your not gay then i think i love you

Hey I just found out that the name Aragorn was based on an ancient kingdom in the northern part of today's Spain called the Aragornese. Anyway I was playing total war and found that out just passing it on to all.

Why is it that all the nice guys are
considered married or accused of spelunking the peanut cave.
Really Valkyrie69 you have me blushing and pulling my wanker
to the beat of In The Navy.
No I'm not a closet case nor will I ever be
as I officially announce my sexual preference for the
gentler, sluttier, bitchier of the the sexes.
So ladies, dust off your pussies.

Here cums Daddy Monk.

Yo Yo Yo
Bizzle Kizzle Ma Vizzle Jizzle
Ship shap shooby dooby Ghetto booby
Get Down wit your bad self.
I love da ladies myself,
Deh all up in ma cribby dibby dabby doo.
Bitches love my creamy stew.
I have to touch myself just frum writin dis hot juice.

Keep up da love my brother.

Hip Hop Jiv Jive
Shiggy Diggy Muck-a-dee-muck
Yo Ho Ho
An' a bottle of Ripple
Swing yaz bitch by dah nipple.

I think when bilbo has the ring on distortion won't be a problem because Sauron isn't back in power to be watching out for the ring.
Replying to brad pineus question.

I have also heard a rumor that there may not even be a movie, mgm sold hobbit movie rights to sony. That would be terrible!
But I've also heard that mgm didn't sell and gave the movie to the director who did resident evil movies. Just wonderful, Zombie hobbits!

Paul W.S. Anderson is the guy who wrote and directed the first Resident Evil movie (and only wrote the 2nd one). I'll admit it, yes I liked the first one. The second one, well...not so much. However, would I want that ass goblin directing The Hobbit? NO WAY IN HELL!!!! If you're gonna do it then do it right! Get Peter Jackson!!! If you have to wait for him, then wait!!! As far as Sony getting the rights to The Hobbit movie, this is the first time I've heard that. Who knows, it might be true.

From what I can remember this was just a rumor/hoax/April fools joke that was circulated by one of the LotR/Hobbit web sites as a joke back in early April. Can't remember which one right now though. Will post if I can find it again.

And once again for those who haven't heard the trailer for the Hobbit movie is NOT an official trailer from New Line. It's only a fan trailer created by Steve Latham of Latham Films for fun, since he is a big fan of the books and movies just as we all are. He used footage from the Lord of the Rings movies & also the movie Dragonslayer for the scenes of Smaug.

See this link: www.lathamfilms.com/hobbit2.html

The trailer looks really cool & I hope that the movie turns out to be as good if not better when it does get made.

But as far as I know they (New Line & MGM)are still sorting out the rights to an official Hobbit movie, but I hope it gets made and made right!!!

I want to talk to all my furry feet ladeez.
Slick Cat Mac Attack wanz to stroke your fuzzy dice
An' make all your disco dreams come true.
Nothin' better than a little hobbitt shorty with a nice onion
to sip ale an' blow smoke rings wit while doin' my thing.
Come on, lay it on me.
Don't jive.
Be Cool.
An Sugar Slick Cat lick your fur clean.

An let Sugar Slick Cat lick your fur clean.
Meow.

monk i think ur great! omg i saw the trailor and thought it was real... *sob* i think legolas could toally be in the movie, arwen too w/o fucking anything up.
monk, email me!

I think the crirtical questions concerning Th Hobbit movie are:

1. Will Ian Holm be too old to play to play Bilbo?
-hopefully they'll do whatever it takes to make it work.

2. Could John Rhys-Davies possibly be back to play Gloin?

1. Will Ian Holm be too old to play Bilbo?
2. Could John Rhyes-Davies be back to play Gloin?
3. Wouldn't the gruff looking bearded guy from the Harry Potter movies be a great Beorn?
4. Would Orlando Bloom, Liv Tyler, and Viggo Mortenson stoop to playing small cameos in the background?
5. Will Radagast make an appearance?
Will they show the scene where Gandalf fights the Necromancer (Sauron)?
6. Will the spiders talk?
7. Will Anthony Serkus return to play Gollum?

I love the hobbit. So if any one who has any power to make it into a movie reads this please make it in to a movie. you will get my $8 at the theather and my $90 for the complete set of extended editions.

I agree with you the way you view the issue. I remember Jack London once said everything positive has a negative side; everything negative has positive side. It is also interesting to see different viewpoints & learn useful things in the discussion.

I'm sorry Jamie (the desperate house hobbit,
but my troll is not about to shackled.

I do understand the blank need to fawn over me.
It's easy to admire pure genius.
Go pander over someone who really needs some love,
maybe Mr. Penis Stretcher for instance.
I choose my sluts, I am the dominator.
Now I would suggest Jamie (single mother of 2, with the stretch marks to prove it)
that if you want to please Daddy Monk,
quit filching my tax dollars and get a job.
Bitch!

To: Ar-Pharazon
Excellent spin on the hobbit debacle. I will spend many early hours
pondering these very riddles.

Possible Answers:

1. Are you kidding? That's what CGI is for....or a flaming faggot with a descent makeup kit.

2. No. I hear PJ complained that John would frequently steal his sandwiches. Apparently
Mr. Davies likes to eat.

3. Unfortunately the Bearded Guy is now the star in the adult video series, Mr. Tickles.

4. Apparently by his last movie, Orlando will stoop to anything.

5. Ratings, its all about the ratings. More violence, more money.

6. Charlotte has fought years for this achievement. "I remember when we spiders were
sterotyped to web spinning roles and working for scale. This a great step forward for
this next generation of young aspiring arachnids."

7. Again, refer to answer #1.

Make it! Make it! Goddamn it!

is there going to be a hobbit movie comeing out and when i need to no can some one answer me

Christ Scotty!
What I think that funky monky and the rest
of the literate world wanz to knowz is.

When the hell is your mamma going to tell you
she was gang raped by clutch of retarted turtles?
You stupid fuck?

And you spell comeing out as C-U-M-M-I-N-G.
eg. The turtle was cumming on your mamma's face while
another was cumming inside her hershey chute.

I feel that I need to apologize to
Jamie the hottie hobbit.

I was having a bad hair day,
my pet hamster marbles fell into the deep frier
and someone laced my favorite bottle of shaft lube
with icy hot.

I'm sorry to have called you a slut.
You may have a face like a shaven goat
but that's no excuse for have told the world
about your stretch marks.

I hope you will find it in yourself to forgive me.
You will always have a place in my harem.

Sincerely Monk.

Well I scrolled down quite a bit and a few of the things i've read aren't quite right. The bit about Gandalf floating around in space is actually pretty accurate. There is more to the LOTR story than the three books. Gandalf did die...and he was sent back by the Valar. So I'm sure there would be some sort of out of body experience like was portrayed in the movie. Just because it wasn't spelled out word for word in the book doesn't mean its bad creative liscence. And the supposed problem with Frodo having all kinds of weird effects from wearing the ring and Bilbo not isnt really a problem. Sauron was a big pussy when Bilbo got the ring. He was known as the Necromancer and was chased out of Southern Mirkwood by Sauraman, Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, and probably the rest of the Istari. He wouldn't have had the power to freak a ring wearer out at that point. He didn't get more powerful until he had rebuilt Barard Dur in Mordor years later. And putting Legolas in the backgroud or having him say something to a dwarf while imprisoned in Mirkwood wouldn't be a big deal. Sure he wasn't in the books....but his father Thranduil is the king there...making him a prince. He could easily even ask a few questions while his father is questioning Thorin Oakenshield and it wouldn't have any adverse effects besides the "wow that's Legolas" effect everybody desires. And keep in mind that there is a bigger story going on during the hobbit....when Gandalf left the party at the western border of Mirkwood he went South and chased the Necromancer "sauron" out of his stronghold. This could be shown as the point where all the wise realize he is back. It wasn't in the hobbit book of course...but further reading fills in these holes. There is also stuff that happens before the hobbit....like Gandalf talking to Thorin's father who had one of the Dwarven rings of power. There is a good deal more happening in the hobbit than most people are aware of....and it can really further the understanding people have of the trilogy.

dobee dobee dooo

42 THE MEANING OF LIFE IS 42

Posted by Theevillord on July 17th, 2005 at 5:49 pm AST

I do not like the part of Peter Jackson of making sauron this big eye. If you have read the books you know sauron still has a physical form.



Are you retarded? I shouldn't even justify this with a responce. Sauron is mention numerous times in the Lord of the Rings.. yes the book/books... many many times as a great eye or a lidless eye. I can't believe you are lecturing people on actually reading the Lord of the Rings. Maybe you read the abridged version.

Posted by Ben on November 11th, 2005 at 7:42 pm AST

Well I scrolled down quite a bit and a few of the things i've read aren't quite right. The bit about Gandalf floating around in space is actually pretty accurate. There is more to the LOTR story than the three books. Gandalf did die...and he was sent back by the Valar. So I'm sure there would be some sort of out of body experience like was portrayed in the movie. Just because it wasn't spelled out word for word in the book doesn't mean its bad creative liscence. And the supposed problem with Frodo having all kinds of weird effects from wearing the ring and Bilbo not isnt really a problem. Sauron was a big pussy when Bilbo got the ring. He was known as the Necromancer and was chased out of Southern Mirkwood by Sauraman, Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, and probably the rest of the Istari. He wouldn't have had the power to freak a ring wearer out at that point. He didn't get more powerful until he had rebuilt Barard Dur in Mordor years later. And putting Legolas in the backgroud or having him say something to a dwarf while imprisoned in Mirkwood wouldn't be a big deal. Sure he wasn't in the books....but his father Thranduil is the king there...making him a prince. He could easily even ask a few questions while his father is questioning Thorin Oakenshield and it wouldn't have any adverse effects besides the "wow that's Legolas" effect everybody desires. And keep in mind that there is a bigger story going on during the hobbit....when Gandalf left the party at the western border of Mirkwood he went South and chased the Necromancer "sauron" out of his stronghold. This could be shown as the point where all the wise realize he is back. It wasn't in the hobbit book of course...but further reading fills in these holes. There is also stuff that happens before the hobbit....like Gandalf talking to Thorin's father who had one of the Dwarven rings of power. There is a good deal more happening in the hobbit than most people are aware of....and it can really further the understanding people have of the trilogy.



BEN has the best grasp on the complete world of Tolkien than anyone else that has posted and should be commended for his nerdness.

this was my post by the way:


Posted by Theevillord on July 17th, 2005 at 5:49 pm AST

I do not like the part of Peter Jackson of making sauron this big eye. If you have read the books you know sauron still has a physical form.



Are you retarded? I shouldn't even justify this with a responce. Sauron is mention numerous times in the Lord of the Rings.. yes the book/books... many many times as a great eye or a lidless eye. I can't believe you are lecturing people on actually reading the Lord of the Rings. Maybe you read the abridged version.

Posted by andy on June 14th, 2005 at 8:06 pm AST

i really like the lord of the rings and the hobbit, and hate finishing them. i never really felt like the movies were done very well, im not a perfectionsit or anything and im not particularly padantic, i just dont think they felt like the book. in my opinion despite good intentions they fucked up the film with a flimsy somehow corney script and shit casting- orlando bloom cant act, all he does is stare into the distance, squinting, convinced hes in some sub standard shakespeare play, and arwen.

the hobbit would work better as a movie if they has the balls to do it properly, instead of setting out to try and make it a carbon copy hollywood blockbuster. its really sad to see arguably the most loved books in history become decidely ordinary film. im not saying i could do any better, well actually, screw it, yeah i am, gimme 10billion quid or whatever and i'll make a film which really is the tolkien of fantasy



while you are entitled to your opinion... it is a bloated, self rightious, politically rightous, stomach turning opinion.
The overall opinion of Jackson's work is accepted very well. So in your high and mighty appraisal you basically say to the world... that you know better. And these opinions are not of just the common fans but of Tolkien scholars. So, Yes, lets elect Andy to be the worlds spokesman for quality and worth.

and come on.... quid? that just sucks

Mattavina is a pretentious over-opinionated little
shit stain of a man that obviously
enjoys flexing his biceps in the mirror
while being ass raped by Andy.

You are both suffer from arrested development
and should have been given lobotomies from birth.
Unfortunately these are the feces of society
that are told that everything they do is just
sooooo super-fabulous by their doe-eyed mothers.

Christ, so what if you read the books.
So give yourself a big "I'm O.K." slap on the back.
No I will not commend you on being a card carrying nerd.
What I will commend you on is, masturbatin in your mother's
basement for the last 30 years to a cardboard cutout of
Princess Leia in slave apparell.
Why do I commend you on that you ask.
Because you have saved us all from impregnating
a woman with your inferior sperm and giving the
world a junior sized version of your stupidity.

Thank you and good night.
monk.

wow... that was nice.

Where exactly did this rage or resentment come from. As far as I can tell, I was corecting someone that clearly shouldn't have been telling people what went on in a book that they haven't read too closely. It's called an informative responce. Yeah I said it was retarded too... cause.. well it's retarded. Maybe if the person just wasn't pleased with the Eye I wouldn't have been so. But they seemed to be commenting against the use of the eye because it wasn't true to the books which is incredibly wrong. You don't have to be a nerd to knwo that... you just have to know how to read and retain information.

As for the Andy thing... I just liked the movies and I think his critique had less to do with facts of poor film making than wanting to make people think it was cool to dismiss a portion of pop culture.

As for you... I thought most of your posts... the ones I've read were wonderful. Kind of funny with something to say. So i don't really know who you are defending here of if you are just lashing out. By the way.. the suggestion that someone else is lame from a person who can thoroughly reference the Silmarillion as wonderfully as you do is a meaningless gesture.

Mattavina I appreciate your decency
and respect for upholding the law
in the world of Tolkein.

Please take my rants with an ounce
of crack.
Yes I agree I was completely was out
of line.
However come on, I'm monk.
I'm completely insane and anyone
on this site should know that
monky gives out a ballbreaking
on occassion.

You're new, consider this your initiation.
Now if you please,
could you shave my hairy feet.

Thank you and Good Night
monk

oh, ok. I usually take things pretty lightly most of the time. I guess I was a little defensive that day. And I was a little harsh on the others as well but that day I had previously read through most of the posts above and that kind of made me a little crazy.

"Remember todays features are aimed towards thirteen year old kids that think smoking is evil and think nothin at having oral sex parties."

- monk

by the way.. that is probably one of the best quotes I've read in a long time.

Posted by Shadow Hunter on July 21st, 2005 at 12:57 am AST [email]

I'm surprised that no one has even considered that Bilbo, the main character in the hobbit, won't be played by Ian Holm. I say this because Ian Holm is 74 years old. In The Hobbit, Bilbo is supposed to be middle aged or younger(don't remember exactly). Sure, they can do quite a bit with make-up and special effects these days, but I don't think Ian Holm will be physically able to play the part (ex. Running around fighting giant spiders, jumping over orc guards, etc...). So, all of you worrying about Legolas and Arwen being in the move (why not give them cameos?), you're going to be in for a big shock when you realize that Bilbo isn't Bilbo, if you know what I mean.

I think that Jake Gyllenhaal could be a good Bilbo consideration. he looks enough like Ian Holm in my opinion to pull it off as is, plus there would be the makup and prosthetics. And he's a great actor. JAKE GYLLENHAAL

ok one thing i have to add to this is at no point in the trilogy did tolkein describe sauron as a big eye, in all cases that the eye "metaphor" and it was a metaphor in every case, it was used to emphasise saurons vigilance and his constant watching the goings on of the peoples of middle earth.

It is perhaps easier to understand the metaphor of Sauron as an ';Eye'; -representing as ARDA puts it- his ';ceaseless vigilance'; if one realises that Tolkien first developed the ';Eye'; metaphor in conjunction with Morgoth- not Sauron. So it is has a lengthy historical pedigree which has nothing, initially, at all to do with Sauron.

';It is of course true that Morgoth held the orcs in dire thraldom, for in their corruption they had almsot lost all possibility of resisting the domination of his will. So great indeed did the pressure on them become ere Angbad fell that if he turned his thoughts towards them , they were conscious of his ';eye'; weherever they might be...this servitude to a central will that reduced the Orcs to an almost ant-like life was seen even more plainly in the Second and Third Age under the tyranny of Sauron, Morgoth';s chief lieutenant."{HOME 10 Morgoth';s Ring Myths transformed 10 my bold emphasis and underline}

So the ';eye'; that was representative of Morgoth';s dominating will is a metaphor that Tolkien extends to encompass Sauron under whom he says it was even more potent, whihc is understandable as Morgoth dissipated his power throughout the whole of Arda- he ';stained'; everything- whereas Sauron concentrated his power into the One.

And the ';Eye'; scrawled on the decapitated statue (TT Journey to the Crossroads) is indicative of how the Orcs perceived the domination of Sauron';s will- ';Big Brother is Watching You'; is a perfect Orwellian comparison!

And, of course, internal to the LOTR text there are any number of references to Sauron as a physical incarnation - in human form - not as an ';eye';- the latter is only a perecived image- not a physical reality: Gollum refers to Sauron';s ';four fingers';, Pippin sees "Him'; in the Palantir, Denethor talks of Sauron coming in triumoph as "he'; Gorbag and Shagrat mention ';until He sends or comes Himself';.There is absolutely no way to gloss these references other than to a human-like formed Sauron, which is of course attested to externally by Tolkien';s own letters.

Moreover, in Hammond and Scull';s work -JRR Tolkien Artist and Illustrator {Chpt 5 LOTR} there is a picture drawn by Tolkien for a proposed ROTK dust -jacket that depicts Sauron in black humanoid form, most certainly not an ';Eye".

As to the hideousness of his form post Numenor this is a penalty not simply consigned to Sauron. Morgoth and his greater allies ultimately, including Sauron, -as their evil grew and grew - could only embody in forms of external ugliness that reflected their inner pollution- the coruption of their souls:

';Melkor alone of the Great became at last bound to a bodily form; but it was because of the use that he amde of this in his purpose t become lord of ther Incarnate, and of the great evils that he did in his visible body. Also he had dissipated his native powers in the control of his agents and servants, so that he became in the end, in himself and without their support, a weakened thing, consumed by hate and unable to resotre himself from the state into which he had fallen. Even his visible form he could no longer master, so that his hideaousness could not any longer be masked., and it showed forth the evil of his mind.So it was also with even sonme of his greatest servants, as in these later days we see: they became wedded to the forms of their evil deeds, and if these bodies w were taken from them or destroyed, they were nullified, until they have rebuilt a semblance of their former habitations, which could continue the evil courses in which they had become fixed. (Pengolodh here evidently refes to Sauron in particular....';{Osanwe-Kenta ';Enquiry into the Communication of Thought'; my bold emphasis and underline."

i borrowed this from lotr plaza its a post by halfir

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However when they committ sacrilege
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a sing-a-long, that's where I
draw the line.

Oh fuck,what do I know?
I'm just a dumb Canadian, eh!

Thank you and Good Night
monk

mr. Anonymous... ehem, BULLSHIT! refering to Sauron as "him" does not in anyway suggest that Sauron is Anthropomorphic. And Gollum describing fingers could just as easily be interpreted as a metaphor... as where it describes Sauruman as being a Finger on the Hand of Sauron. I suppose you thought that Sauruman was literally a finger on a large gross looking beastly man.

I have read the books many times and I never was led to believe that Sauron was in human form. Maybe because it says in the text that he hasn't regained his form.

and in the Silmarillion it actually says Morgoth has a physical form... if fact that he is pertty much stuck in the physical form of the dark lord that he chose.

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