Hehe, I was just talking about this yesterday actually. My thoughts are this, the NHL will be having more and more of these kinds of acts in the coming years. It's really just the direction the league is taking. When you allow people to fight and cheap shot themselves all the time, people are bound to get frustrated and take it to the next level. This will keep happening until eventually someone gets killed. Basically, they're in a forum where pretty much anything goes with little consequences.

What really bothers me is the double standard where, because the media is so heavily involved, the law might get involved. Now I just find it funny that the law gets involved now when they constantly commit criminal acts anyhow. I mean they let people run around long enough, what did they think would happen. The league needs to be more consistent in these matters and establish guidelines that are clear and concise. Not only that, but the law needs to do the same and establish the situations where they can get involved. If they keep playing it by ear, this type of nonsense will keep occuring, because people believe they can get away with it. And the fact is they do, day in and day out, get away with everything.

The last thing about this that makes me laugh is Bertuzzi's crocodile tears. Sadly, he feels no remorse for what he did to Moore, since he basically accomplished exactly what he set out to do. But more accurately, he only feels remorse that his actions hurt his career, his team and his paycheck.

I have no pity for the league, or Bertuzzi, I only hate it if the law chooses to get involved arbitrarily because the media decided it should.

Marc

Marc,

I agree with most of you comments. But do have a problem with one of them:

"When you allow people to fight and cheap shot themselves all the time, people are bound to get frustrated and take it to the next level."

It is exactly the opposite in my opinion, regarding the fighting aspect. Over the last few years the NHL has "cracked down" on fights within the game where an instigator (ie. player who protects the team's stars and after they are hit [usually excessively) will fight player who hit star; or player who flat out starts a fight) will get a match penalty. This has actually translated to a more “hack and slash” style game from a from a wrong one of our teammates we will wrong you type game, through our enforcer, type game. This has led to many more stick incidences where anger would have been brought out in a fight rather in swinging a stick, which in my opinion is much better than swinging a stick or sucker punchin in Tod's case. These rule changes is what has lead players to take it to the next level, specifically in the case of Bertuzzi. I this comes back to Chris’ comment about how hockey has not place for players like (Bertuzzi / Havlat), you are right but as skilled players there is a place for them but hockey(they are great hockey players) however hockey is not a place where they should have to defend by the means that they did. This is partly because of bad judgment at the time and partly because they had to defend themselves under the current rules of the NHL, because the standard enforcer rules do not apply anymore. I am not saying what either of them did was right but just that the current NHL rule set increases the level of tenson; Not fighting.

Just my two cents.

Ron.

Thought this was intresting ...

Quote (Dave Hodge -- Hockey Analyist)
======================================================
Hodge: The Blame Game 3/17/2004

Let's play the blame game, shall we? Everybody else is.

Who's to blame for the fact Steve Moore is in hospital?

I've been writing them down for the past week.

Blame Steve Moore, for not stopping to fight.

Blame his coach, Tony Granato, for not being wise enough to have protector Peter Worrell skate in Moore's shadow.

Blame Moore's teammate, Andrei Nikolishin, and others, for creating an 850-pound pile with Moore at the bottom.

Blame the referees assigned to that game - Dennis Larue and Stephen Walkom.

Blame their boss, who assigned them--Andy van Hellemond.

Blame Canada.

Blame Don Cherry.

Blame Gary Bettman, or Colin Campbell, or blame the NHL for its instigator rule. You see, if players could start fights, they wouldn't start fights, or something like that.

Blame Conn Smythe, who told us why to fight.

If you're stuck, you could always blame Steve Moore again for hitting Markus Naslund in the first place.

Or blame the media. I'm not choosing that one.

But I do have to narrow this down. So I'm going to take the radical step of blaming someone who doesn't get mentioned very often - I know this sounds unfair, especially to those who march on his behalf, but I'm going to blame Todd Bertuzzi.

For TSN.ca, I'm Dave Hodge
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http://tsn.ca/columnists/dave_hodge.asp

Cheers
Chris

I totally agree with Burke's comments and am disgusted with the reaction of the media and the"non hockey playing public" to what was an accident. I expect the same reaction the next time I see a quarterback blindsided. to me it is the same thing and if Bertuzzi is charged with assault I expect every defensive end in the world to be in jail with him.

The biggest blame has to fall on the NHL itself for trying to micro manage the game with rule changes to anticepticize it for the American public, they have created a that doesn't belong anywhere.

Hockey consists of 4 elements to make it a totally harmonious game. Skill, strength, intimidation and heart. If one of those elements is missing you get the crap we are forced to watch today. When the instigator rule was introduced it messed up the mix and caused confusion during the playing of the game.

Dennis Potvin said it best this morning, if the instigator rule was not there the penalty Moore had to pay would have been instantaneous when he nailed Nasland, over and done with, 5 minute penalties, and the game goes on. But when the climate of the game didn't allow for that the result is what we see today, lingering grudges and payback that is to long coming is a bad combination.

Way to go Burke and Cherry they both know a lot more more about hockey and fair play than the media clowns and NHL head office will ever understand.

Apples and Oranges (hockey and football), in football a defensive end is allowed by rule to "blind side" a quarter back, during the play (if he can and so long as the QB has the football) hence the 5, 300 pound offensive line men that are devoted to protecting the QB.

Sure, if Moore had 5, 300 pound line men devoted to guarding him on the ice then this would be a different story, but we both know there are no offensive line men that play on NHL hockey teams. Also last time I checked Bertuzzi was listed as a winger for the Vancouver Canucks.

I agree the rules do need a tweaking in the NHL, the instigator rule must go, but as Cherry said Todd was wrong and Todd knows it, Todd made a mistake (he didn't have an accident -- he wanted pay back for the legal hit on Naslund, Think Markus better learn how to take a check) and now he will pay for it, sure Todd didn't want the outcome to be so severe (All he wanted was for Moore to have a black eye and bloody nose – Is that still right though? After all it was a clean hit. Perhaps we need to start roughing up players when ever they make a nice pass or a goalie that makes a nice save? You know a little payback for that fantastic pass. Seems about right if we want to stay on this level of thinking).

Actions have consequences! Todd’s actions produced a broken neck for Moore; Moore's broken neck produced a big fine and a long suspension for Todd. Todd's fine / suspension produces an early playoff exit for the Canucks, Canucks early exit produces a lose in revenue, Canucks loss of revenue causes them to fold ... WOW! See how out of hand Todd's actions have become, Todd better think a little more before he does stuff.

Yea if I was a Canuck fan right now I would bitter, grasping at straws, pointing fingers and the such. (GO HABS GO!!!)

In all seriousness, it’s good, hope to see Steve recover 100% and hopefully this will make players a little more respectful of one another, so nothing like this or worse happens again. Let’s call a spade a spade shall we? Let’s take this unfortunate situation and turn it into a learning tool.

Cheers
Chris

Well said, Chris, well said!!

What suckers the NHL brass are. Reports from the Vancouver Hospital are that Moore was walking aroung the next day with his sore neck. Are the Avalanche ever playing everyone for a bunch of suckers.

You know why they won't let any media talk to him, its because he wouldn't be able to stop laughing as he sat in his chair with his feet up watching TV and sipping on his beer.

What a great bit of deception though, the conversation between the Avalanche GM and Moore went like this.

"Pretend like you're hurt, the soft sap media and bleeding heart politically correct public will jump all over Bertuzzi and we can get rid of our biggest threat going into the playoffs. We do it like this, lay low in the Vancouver Hospital for a few days until they suspend Bertuzzi, then we say Thank God it looks like you're not hurt as bad as we first thought. (Notice that unlike most serious injuries in sports there have been no statements from the Doctors) why you ask, because the Avalanche immediately put him into the care of there own paid hack.

Then we move you into a private clinic for a while where no one can have access to you while you lead the good life. After a reasonable time we say this, "thanks to the wonderful care of (our on the payroll specialists) its looks like you can get back on your feet sooner than anyone ever expected. Ok Agreed lets go. Fuck Vancouver, play everyone for a fool, and we get our way, thats why they pay me the big bucks

"Reports from the Vancouver Hospital are that Moore was walking aroung the next day with his sore neck. Are the Avalanche ever playing everyone for a bunch of suckers. "

- Name your source!

The source - A nurse from the Vancouver General Hospital, posted on the CBC forums,
---ask this question---what hockey team in the west would stand to benefit the most from having a weakened Canucks hockey team. (Colorado)?

Why hasn't the attending physician issued a statement?
Why haven't the Avalanche allowed any media to visit Moore?
Why have the Avalanche declined to comment on anything about the incident?

Answer, because Moore's injuries are minor. The NHL is going to be really embarrassed on this one before it over, I smell a rat

WOW!
Conspiracy, better get Mulder and Scully on the case!
This is an X-File for sure!

Come on, just as Ron said "Name your source!", I can't believe for one minute that the NHL didn't have him checked out before handing down that suspension or had a legal medical document that states the facts. Further more I also don't believe that Colorado is scared of Vancouver in the least, and especially to the point where they would orchestrate "The Conspiracy" to cripple the Canucks.

Really though say for a second that "The Conspiracy" is true. Todd shouldn't of put the Av's in a position to pull off "The Conspiracy". Plain and simple if Todd had of shown some control or foresight then we would not being have this conversation, the Canucks would be well on their way to the playoffs with a full roster, no excuses would be coming from the Canuck camp, etc ...

Todd was the one who started this ball rolling, he didn't have to do what he had done, no matter what anyone says it all started with Todd!

Think of what things would be like if Todd hadn't of hit Moore ... Guess this conversation wouldn't of happened.

Cheers
Chris

So what you are saying is that because she wore her mini skirt she is guilty of her own rape. This is an interesting defence, I wonder if its ever been tried in the court room?

If she would have shown some control or foresight she wouldn't have made me do it. Just might work.

I am a nurse from Vancouver General Hospital and I would like to state that the above statement about Steve Moore walking above is false.

Mary Smith

Once again the Apples and Oranges logic comes into play ...
Made who do it? Ahhh you do it! Well the prosecution rests.

Cheers
Chris

I say Hooray for Bertuzzi, Bush, and most of all for Travis who did such a good job of explaining the game of hockey to the Campbell brothers the other night, I like problem solvers.

I hear the Campbells will both be watching hockey again once the swelling goes down, but I bet they won't be so lippy next time, in fact I'd say a long term solution was dispensed and the problem was solved. The NHL should come to PEI for lessons in how to administer the game.

eh?

Might find this interersting ...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=77439
=========================================================================
Avs give update on Moore's condition

Canadian Press

3/22/2004

DENVER (CP) - The news on Colorado Avalanche forward Steve Moore was mixed Monday. His neck is healing and he was listed in good condition but his overall prognosis and hockey future are uncertain.

"While Steve is making progress, his recovery timeframe remains indefinite," Avs doctor Andrew Parker said in a statement released by the team.

Parker said Moore would be able to begin physical therapy once he has recovered from the neck injury and concussion. There is no evidence of spinal cord trauma.

"He can walk without assistance, but will need to continue wearing a cervical collar."

Moore, 25, ended up in the hospital with two fractured cervical vertebrae, deep facial cuts, a concussion and memory loss after he was attacked from behind by Canucks forward Todd Bertuzzi during a game March 8 in Vancouver.

"His neck fractures are expected to heal over the next 6-12 weeks with stabilization using a cervical brace," the Avalanche release said. "However, his overall recovery and prognosis is uncertain, including his ability to return to professional hockey."

The release said the Avs rookie "had made good progress, is in good condition, and will be released from the hospital" Monday or Tuesday.

"Steve is hoping to address the media sometime in the future, but wishes to convey now his sincere thanks and appreciation to everyone who has expressed their concern for his well-being, and to the Avalanche organization and doctors for their tremendous care and support," Moore's agent, Larry Kelly, said in the statement.

Meanwhile, Bertuzzi's agent says the Canucks star is "still reeling from his situation."

"He's missing hockey," Pat Morris told The Team 1040 all-sports radio station in Vancouver. "It's not a fun time for a hockey player or an individual who feels remorseful for what happened."

Bertuzzi, who has not been able to speak to Moore since the incident, was banned for the rest of the regular season and the playoffs by the NHL.

The power forward must meet with the league before he can return to action next season.
==========================================================================

Cheers
Chris

Poor Moore may never play again. =(

Hmm... doesn't smell like rat anymore! :P

Poor Moore, he started something with Naslund when he gave it to him in the side of the head giving him a concussion and putting him out for three games.

Naslund is the Captain of the team and is known for being a non aggressive player. What did Moore think was going to happen? Moore went at him and got it started, but he wimped out when it came to finishing it, instead of facing Bertuzzi like a man he turned turtle, so rather than ending it in some kind of honourable fashion he landed face first on the ground with poor Bertuzzi thinking "what has got into this guy, hockey players don't do this kind of stuff" it was a confusing moment and could have been so easily been avoided if Moore hadn't acted so inappropriately.

No, Moore didn't go "at him". Moore had to check him to stop Naslund from a breakaway... it was a routine check, it's just that Naslund didn't know how to take a check. It's Naslund's own fault for not taking the check properly. It was a clean check... if it was dirty, there would have been a penalty.

Thats right Brad, Naslund even admitted that the check was clean!

As I has stated previously maybe we should start taking liberties at players who make nice passes, shots, goals? As far as I knew checking is part of the game and players should be rewarded and respected for good clean body checks as they are for passes / shots / saves, it is a skill after all. Look at Scott Stevens he has made his living with good clean checks.

Infact if it had of been Stevens or any other star hitter (Stevens, Blake, Hatcher etc ...) there would have been no "retribution" from Vancouver they would have calked it up as "well gota be carefull when you have your head down in the netrual zone with players like that patrolling the blue lines". Seeing as it was a rookie they figured, who in the heck is he to be hitting our star player! We will teach the rookie! The fact that Naslund got hurt on the play made it worse in the minds of the Canucks.

GO HABS GO

Cheers
Chris

Time marches on, I see that Moore was released from the hospital yesterday in Denver. Now if they keep following the script next week the Avalanche will do there first press release on his condition.

"We are so thankful that Moore is recovering much faster than we originally thought, it speaks volumes about the courage and inner strength of this fine young man and the skill and dedication of the doctors and nurses who have been doing such a fine job"

Best not overdo it or the NHL will smell the rat to and realize they have been played for fools. The biggest decision for the Avalanche is, do they let Moore start skating with the team the week after and continue to milk the miraculous recovery thing or do they make him lay low for a longer period of time. I think they will play it safe and let the big bamboozala continue a while longer and let Moore collect his pay (hush money). After all with Bertuzzi safely out of the picture the playoff revenues will be pretty good.

LOL!

The paranoia, Scully, Mulder! Where are you the Canucks have a case, prehaps the aliens out in Nevada got lose from Area 51 and are up to their old tricks. This time tainting the NHL, the conspiracy is growing. Bigfoot and the Chupacabra won't be far behind to help discredit and cripple the Canaucks!

Don't think Vancouver or Bertuzzi is that much of a threat to Colorado. Av's prob could care less about them. There is much bigger fish in the Western Conference to worry about.

Moore's hurt plain and simple, Bert got what was coming to him, it was an unfortunate situation all around. I just hope that the players learn something from this and start respecting one another a little more.

Cheers
Chris

I was watching the Montreal/Boston game the other night and guess what I saw. A guy on Montreal - Ribiero - pulled a Moore, fell down and pretended he was hurt, did the shakes and eye rolls. Then when he got to the bench and made fun of the Bruins, what a pansy.
Did you see the Calgary game Iginla got cross checked from behind into the boards, much worse than what Bertuzzi did. Difference - when Iginla went to straighten the guy out he at least fought back and didn't turn turtle like Moore did. Result nobody got hurt and the reason because they acted appropriately in a mans game.

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Todd's hit on Moore was unexceptable obiously, but it's gone on long enough. I feel really bad for the guy, i mean, think about it. The talk of a lockout hangs in the air and you're not playing with your team for the last part of the season. That would seriously suck! I mean of course he deserved what he got, but, man, he should be allowed back into the NHL without getting clearance by the league. But on the other side of the matter, i hardley feel bad for him at all! Moore was pretty lucky to live! The only reason he did that was for the Avalanche's attack on captain Markus Naslund, and that's just flat out dumb!

P.S- Gary Bettemen is a crappy owner!

Todd's hit on Moore was unexceptable obiously, but it's gone on long enough. I feel really bad for the guy, i mean, think about it. The talk of a lockout hangs in the air and you're not playing with your team for the last part of the season. That would seriously suck! I mean of course he deserved what he got, but, man, he should be allowed back into the NHL without getting clearance by the league. But on the other side of the matter, i hardley feel bad for him at all! Moore was pretty lucky to live! The only reason he did that was for Moore's attack on captain Markus Naslund, and that's just flat out dumb!

P.S- Gary Bettemen is a crappy owner!

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