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Posted by Brad Pineau on September 10th, 2003 at 7:20 pm AST [6506 views]
Today on Much Music, I watched one of the reporters interviewing people on the streets of Toronto about the recent RIAA lawsuits against some 261 music swappers.Everyone person who they showed on tape had the same thing to say:
Why bother picking on people like that?
Everyone downloads music off the web!
Go after drug dealers or murderers or something more worthwhile!
It's obvious that a lot of people are outraged that 261 americans are being sued for simply sharing music... something that should be free and that everyone does. Well, what I dont understand, is what the hell is wrong with these people? It's very, very clear that sharing music on the internet is ILLEGAL.
It would be ideal if everyone could download whatever music they liked, and not have to pay $20 for a CD with only a few decent songs on it... but this is not the point. The point is, downloading music that doesn't belong to you is illegal. Everyone knows this... so why does everyone get so angry when the authories finally do something about it?
I hope that people clue into this soon, before more lawsuits are handed out. One of the first settlements reached was for $2000, and this was with the mother of the 12 year old girl. In retrospect, this is merely a slap on the wrist. Under American law, defendants could be fined as much as $100,000 per song downloaded. People should take this as a sign - stop downloading pirated music while you can.
I agree that the music industry, as it stands right now, sucks. I hate paying for music as much as everyone. All I'm saying, is don't get mad at the authories when they start handing out lawsuits. It was bound to happen.
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Posted by Ron on September 10th, 2003 at 8:24 pm AST [website]
I've only done a little bit of research into this but the best looking service is the one from Roxio. 300,000 songs in their library and you can download as much as you want for 9.95/month. Better than buying CDs.
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If anyone else has any other services which are good.. I would love to hear about them. Right now Roxio is my winner and I think I will get a subscription.
For now tho I am going with Radiostorm.com for my music needs tho. If you start to listen .. make sure u listen on Wed.. live hosts and they play a lot of comedy stuff .. good and funny.
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If anyone else has any other services which are good.. I would love to hear about them. Right now Roxio is my winner and I think I will get a subscription.
For now tho I am going with Radiostorm.com for my music needs tho. If you start to listen .. make sure u listen on Wed.. live hosts and they play a lot of comedy stuff .. good and funny.
Like Ron said Radiostorm is a good listen and has a wide variety of music.If your into techno or trance music you should also check out Digitally Imported.com .I listen to both sites on a daily basis.
Posted by Glasseyerod on September 11th, 2003 at 12:56 pm AST [email]
I just heard that Universal is cutting their CD prices by 30% in an effort to cobat pirated music. I am wondering what is the mark-up on CD's if they can afford to cut the prices that much. The record companys say they are losing money. I think in reality they are not make large profits, and have to settle for lower profits. If they can no longer get the money out of our wallets through record sales(heh records sales, when is the last time any of us have ever bought a record. Maybe I am the only one that still says record sales.), then Maybe Artists wil be forced to entertain us in away that can not be stolen, live performances. I am no artist or preformer, but I thought that is why they got in the business in the first place, the rush of playing live in front of a big crowd. Let them use internet music sharing as a way to publicise their expanded line up of concerts.
I say keep stealing the music. There is only a slim chance that you will be singled out and charged. The the slap on the wrist is comparitively small. Just don't bitch about it when you get caught, you knew it was stealing. I also say stick it to the man and start up hardware-sharing sites where you can download you favorite video cards or speakers.
Does any one know a good shark porn sharing site, or is that illegal too.
I say keep stealing the music. There is only a slim chance that you will be singled out and charged. The the slap on the wrist is comparitively small. Just don't bitch about it when you get caught, you knew it was stealing. I also say stick it to the man and start up hardware-sharing sites where you can download you favorite video cards or speakers.
Does any one know a good shark porn sharing site, or is that illegal too.
Posted by Jeff Therrien on October 10th, 2003 at 11:56 am AST [email]
I'm doing a debate for school on why downloading music should be illegal and i haven't found out anyhting besides it should be downloaded becasue it is pirated software and if you support the artist you should buy there software do you thing you can give me some reasons why it should be illegal
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Posted by Daniel T on February 8th, 2004 at 12:48 pm AST
damn straight. I don't think the majority of people understand that artists need to make money to live, just everyone else. Music doesn't just appear from nowhere, someone has to choose to WRITE a song. If they see that they can no longer make a living off what they love to do they might choose not to do it any more. I think that would be interesting scenario: artists choosing not to write any more music (i'm talking about decent ones)
Posted by Ashley on February 17th, 2004 at 12:11 am AST
Yes, music sharing is illegal. And everyone knows it. But the music industry fails to realize the reason of why people are doing this. Old records used to cost about $5 per record. And everyone was good with that. Then they developed CDs and claimed that it cost more, therefore they doubled and quadrupled prices. In reality, the process to make CDs is cheaper than that of records. They jacked the prices up alot because they're greedy. Some companies have finally realized that the reason people are downloading music is because people don't want to pay that much. For kids who don't work, or anybody who doesn't have much money for that matter, $18 is alot to pay for a cd. If they only cost $8 or something, I would much rather buy that. If they lower the prices, income would probably go up. So many problems would go away for alot of people if that just happened...
Posted by Anonymous on February 18th, 2004 at 9:25 pm AST
I think theres nothing wrong with illegal music sharing if the "artists" want to make a cd that will sell,then make a good one that people will WANT to buy instead of downloading the one good song IM TALKING TO YOU ALAN JACKSON.If an artist wants to make a selling cd they need to take more than 8 days in the studio making it...ALAN JACKSON!!
Posted by Jim Bob on April 23rd, 2004 at 2:53 pm AST [email]
hey, i was just lookign at your disscussion and its a good read, but how do the people actually catch you? surely they can only catch people with 56k modems as braodband users ip address gets changed everytime u log on to help against hackers?
anyone know any different?
simon
anyone know any different?
simon
its all bollocks man.
its only been 100 or so years since copyright was even invented, and yes fine, back in those days you couldnt have a distribution network without producing physical copies and then it made sense to pay for the service, but now we have a distribution network that does not deprive the original owner of their copy and can provide unlimited copies at only one 'cost', which is bandwidth, i say it with '' because the fact is once you turn the machine on, having data travelling or not travelling is irrelavant, there is only the initial cost of buying it and your electricity bill (thats another story - how big business is trying to say bandwith should be paid for).
with this thought in mind i basically view the old system of music distribution as a failed experiment. if for example, someone had been collecting for a long time, and had 50gb or even a 100gb (and theres plenty of home users with collections bigger than that out there), the so-called price of this data has already shot through the roof so high that effectivly the person would have had to pour every spare penny they ever made into it, and still wouldnt have a collection that big. therefore i dont see the value of paying 20 quid for a cd. so the solution the riaa is providing is basically listen to less variety in your music.
its not like theres no altenatives either, theres tv-like ways of funding things, and subscriptions to collections instead of high prices for small amounts, and in my opinion the best thing is the money coming from doing concerts and stuff, because at the end of the day all the riaa is concerned with is the big labels making big money, and they can still do that, 40 quid a pop times a whole stadium, and they can repeat this many times, the album is once or so a year. (incidentally there are way better ways of working this out i just cant remember the details -- go do some research yourself ;)
another thing, now ive got on to the riaa, is that when gramophones were invented, the organisation which it grew out of, paraded around saying that music in the home will destroy the musicians industry taking money away from live performers, and then when casette tapes came out they started up again, saying home taping is killing music with a big skull and crossbones, and now they have hired a whole bunch of ex army dudes to run their task force which runs round dressed up like the swat, with no official power, threating people selling illegal media on the streets, and even going round to people's houses.
personally, at the end of day, i think it takes the fucking piss because people listen to music because it affects them and its a large part of their lives, and the only interest the riaa has shown has been related to the fact they dont get no dollar.
its like are you going to start charging for air? no its a ridiculous idea, air is everywhere and it keeps people happy and alive and things like that, and then music has parallels that are like it. make ur own metaphor up im sure you get where im coming from by now ;)
its only been 100 or so years since copyright was even invented, and yes fine, back in those days you couldnt have a distribution network without producing physical copies and then it made sense to pay for the service, but now we have a distribution network that does not deprive the original owner of their copy and can provide unlimited copies at only one 'cost', which is bandwidth, i say it with '' because the fact is once you turn the machine on, having data travelling or not travelling is irrelavant, there is only the initial cost of buying it and your electricity bill (thats another story - how big business is trying to say bandwith should be paid for).
with this thought in mind i basically view the old system of music distribution as a failed experiment. if for example, someone had been collecting for a long time, and had 50gb or even a 100gb (and theres plenty of home users with collections bigger than that out there), the so-called price of this data has already shot through the roof so high that effectivly the person would have had to pour every spare penny they ever made into it, and still wouldnt have a collection that big. therefore i dont see the value of paying 20 quid for a cd. so the solution the riaa is providing is basically listen to less variety in your music.
its not like theres no altenatives either, theres tv-like ways of funding things, and subscriptions to collections instead of high prices for small amounts, and in my opinion the best thing is the money coming from doing concerts and stuff, because at the end of the day all the riaa is concerned with is the big labels making big money, and they can still do that, 40 quid a pop times a whole stadium, and they can repeat this many times, the album is once or so a year. (incidentally there are way better ways of working this out i just cant remember the details -- go do some research yourself ;)
another thing, now ive got on to the riaa, is that when gramophones were invented, the organisation which it grew out of, paraded around saying that music in the home will destroy the musicians industry taking money away from live performers, and then when casette tapes came out they started up again, saying home taping is killing music with a big skull and crossbones, and now they have hired a whole bunch of ex army dudes to run their task force which runs round dressed up like the swat, with no official power, threating people selling illegal media on the streets, and even going round to people's houses.
personally, at the end of day, i think it takes the fucking piss because people listen to music because it affects them and its a large part of their lives, and the only interest the riaa has shown has been related to the fact they dont get no dollar.
its like are you going to start charging for air? no its a ridiculous idea, air is everywhere and it keeps people happy and alive and things like that, and then music has parallels that are like it. make ur own metaphor up im sure you get where im coming from by now ;)
in reply to ur comment simon, 56k users get new ip's each time, and some broadband does as well (mostly the isdn/asdl kind). im not entirely sure how they catch them i think maybe they took a court order to release the names through the sharing network. in canada when they tried this they got told to bollocks, so technically its still legal to share ur shizzles if ur a .ca
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Posted by RattBastard on February 4th, 2005 at 3:26 pm AST [email]
I think that downloading music is just a good way for people to get some payback. We get fucking robbed everyday by the government, franchises, large corporations, and our own fucking work places. Everybody is just pissed off because the little people are finally putting a dent in something besides our own fucking asses. I know those poor bastards from Metallica are depending on the money ( god knows after a few decades of shity music they are poor) that we are shelfishly taking from them. I say fuck them if you don't like it don't sing. Besides some of them need to quit anyway (Ashley Simpson).
1. it doesnt break the criminal laws you moron, it break's CIVIL law, you will not go to prison and the police will not arrest you.
Period.
2. It's not illegal to download, to share music however is. get it right.
3. "the authorities" cant do fuck all, riaa launches a class action law suit, you turn up..they make there case and you make yours.
-Depends on the judge and the jury, I plead third party liability from the start.
Period.
2. It's not illegal to download, to share music however is. get it right.
3. "the authorities" cant do fuck all, riaa launches a class action law suit, you turn up..they make there case and you make yours.
-Depends on the judge and the jury, I plead third party liability from the start.
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