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Why Do We Tip?
Posted by Brad Pineau on August 23rd, 2003 at 1:03 am AST     [11934 views]

How come we are expected to leave a tip at restaurants, or tell the pizza delivery boy to keep the change? What makes waitresses, hair dressers, or bus boys so special that we need to give them a tip?

Is it because they work in a profession that deals directly with customers, in which if they give you a good service, you leave them a tip to show your gratitude? Why? Isn't it their job to give you good service anyways? If I go in to Futureshop, and get great service from one of the sales associates, I'm not expected to leave them a tip... because they are just doing their job.

When I was younger, I worked at a convenience store. Everyday, I gave exceptional service to the customers. I always greeted them when they walked in the store, and said goodbye when they left... and I never received any tips (other than the occasional quarter that was left in the penny jar).

All that being said, I actually do leave tips for people. Even though I feel it's morally wrong, I do so, but only because it's the social norm, or the rare time that I do receive exceptional service and want to show my gratitude.

What does everyone else think? How do you feel about leaving tips? Is it right, is it wrong?
 

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Posted by nelly on August 23rd, 2003 at 1:47 am AST

interesting. sometimes maybe we leave tips because it's something that has always been done - learn it from our parents, etc. now, personally, i don't think tipping is morally wrong. the people who we tip (hairdressers, pizza boys, waitresses etc) are doing a more personal service or a service for convience, which does merit a bit more gratitude. i worked at wal-mart for close to three years, i didn't get tips, but i got great compliments. i also gave my best service to every customer in that god-forsaken hell hole, but i never expected tips. i wasn't extending to the customer a personal service. i was simply there to guide. i guess basically what i'm tyring to say here (and this is a late night post, it probably doesn't make sense) people who convience us should be shown monetary gratitude. we could do it ourselves, but someone else is offering. thank them through money, cuz that's whats the most important thing in life, right?? (sarcastic tone......)

Posted by Brad Pineau on August 23rd, 2003 at 2:06 am AST [email] [website]

the people who we tip (hairdressers, pizza boys, waitresses etc) are doing a more personal service or a service for convience, which does merit a bit more gratitude

I see where you're coming from with this, nelly... but isn't it their job to make things convienient for us? Isn't that what they were hired for? It's not like they are going out of their way to do things for us.. things that aren't in their job description. If that were the case, I would have no problem leaving a tip, because they went above and beyong the call of duty...

I understand that tending to crabby customers all day can mentally frustrate a person, and tipping can help make up for the crap they take,.. but working on an assembly line can be a pretty crappy job too, and those people don't get any tips from anyone.

Posted by Kevin on August 23rd, 2003 at 3:22 pm AST [email] [website]

People working in these professions typically make rock-bottom wages before we tip them. I think that may have something to do with it.

We don't tip salespeople, but many of them earn commission, like those at Futureshop... at least on extended warranties - I'm not sure about regular purchases.

Posted by Lou Quillio on August 23rd, 2003 at 6:03 pm AST [website]

In the U.S. there is a different (lower) minimum wage for service workers in hospitality, and wages generally reflect the assumption of tipping. Moreover there are devices and requirements by which employers in this sector must "impute" tips for income tax reporting purposes. They are either reported directly or assumed, calculated, and reported anyway.

I've moonlighted a few nights a week as a bartender for many years (freelancers need something to count on). I can tell you that I don't insist on tips but that they are also not optional. In most cases they represent the bulk of earnings.

It's a very complicated social construct, one I'll write about in detail some day. Suffice it that your relationship to hospitality providers -- especially those you do business with regularly -- is solidified and grows based on proper tipping.

I teach my daughters how it's done in a restaurant setting:

1. Round the check to an even dollar amount.
2. Double the result (200%).
3. Divide that result by two (20%).
4. Add that back to the original check amount.
5. Round that total down a little if the server (not the kitchen or establishment in general) was inattentive, but not much.

Do this consistently, smile and speak with service folks as peers, and you'll make many friends. The benefit always comes back to you, and the world turns just a little easier because of it.

Above all, don't be a silly geek who ponders the socio-economic efficacy of tipping, anywhere beyond the abstract. That's the road to loser-land. Cheap is cheap, always will be.

Posted by zoe on August 23rd, 2003 at 10:03 pm AST [email]

okay, i know all about this, as i am an esthetician. really, i dont like to tip people myself unless they give not just great service, but amazing service. i mean, the kind of service that you would go home and say, "that was the best service i have had in a long long time!" and i try to give that type of service. it never really bothered me if someone didnt tip me, becuase i know when i do my best and when i dont. but it WOULD bother me if the client was twenty minutes late, annoying as hell, and then didnt tip if i gave her great service. that's a bit much. i agree with kevin about the whole commission thing. really, commissions are like tips, just given by the companies. i make commission where i work now, and its way better than tips. anyhow, my whole point is that when someone tips you, its not only extra money, but it really makes you feel good. like you made an impact on them. and when someone doesnt tip, you dont think, "damn, i could have used the extra $$$" you think "what did I do wrong? I hope they were happy with what i did..."

cheers,

zoe

Posted by Melda on August 26th, 2003 at 10:46 pm AST [website]

I agree with Lou in the sense that U.S. tipping is meant to compensate for their measly wages. That was always part of my understanding.

Tipping is also a very North American tradition. Many countries (Australia, England, as well as some other European countries) don't insist on tipping for services rendered; and often times it is common practice not to tip.

That said, I do try to tip well (within my meager means). Having worked in the hospitality industry myself I know how it can really make your day for someone to leave more than you expected for good service.

Posted by Veriria on September 23rd, 2003 at 4:06 pm AST [email] [website]

Well, I have an answer to why you tip the pizza delivery man - they don't get compensated for their job by their employer. They get minimum wage plus *maybe* 85 cents per run. That is not enough to cover wear and tear on a car. That is why they advertise the job saying you get paid hourly (if your lucky and work at big chains and they still get only minimum wage) plus TIPS. The employers assume they will be tipped. If the employer paid them $15 an hour, everything would be hunky doory but your pizza would cost $40 or some such to cover all the costs. Do you want to pay that for an essentially 'fast food' type of pizza? If you can afford $16 for a pizza, you surely can afford a $2.00 tip.

Posted by Andy on September 30th, 2003 at 6:35 pm AST

It is true that in SOME states there is a lower minimum wage for service industry workers. In Oregon, for example, it has been my experience that restaurant staff is still paid the state's minimum wage and tips are above and beyond that. So I agree that I do not feel it is my job to make up this employee's measly wage. Afterall if I'm paying 8.00 for a burger, I think I've already done my civic duty to pump money into the local economy. But in all honesty my point of view can be summed up in the cafe discussion at the beginning of Resevoir Dogs(I side with Mr. Pink).

I am not afraid to leave no tip, I was brought up that tips are EARNED and not mandatory. I do not care about being friends with service workers(that does not mean that I am not friendly though), afterall if I go to a restaurant and I leave no tip, chances are I'm not coming back, or if I do, I'm not going to be served by the same person.

Now on the flip side though, when I do tip, I tip well. Afterall it was earned. I do make sure to assess the situation though and make sure that I'm not expecting complete attention if the section the employee has to cover is packed, but there are things they can do to impress me.

But this was just my 2 cents, take it for what it is worth.

Posted by Kim on February 2nd, 2004 at 3:08 am AST [email]

Obviously you HAVE NEVER worked in the restuarant industry. I have been waiting tables for the past four years to support myself through college. First let me tell you a little something. It is perfectly legal, and a commom practice in almost all restaurants, to pay their servers less than three dollars per hour. WE WORK VERY HARD FOR OUR MONEY, and thank god most people are not like you. I come into work every day with a positive attitude, take unbelivable tormant from crabby customers, and give service with a smile.

Speaking for myself only, I work to EARN my tips, and if I fail to give my guest a pleasant experience, then I do not expect a good tip. However, being a server is a very hard job, and I manage to do it six days a week, during terrible hours, and make a pleasant connection with each guest that sits down at my table.

Servers are running around constantly during their shift to please their guests, get them every little special request that they desire, and NEVER get a break, literally. I have never in my history of waiting tables recieved even a fifteen minute break.
Now, tell me once more why you feel that it is morraly wrong to leave a tip?

Posted by Bloggerman on February 2nd, 2004 at 8:00 pm AST [email] [website]

Well, if you're in the restuarant industry, you are obviously biased... and of course you will think that tipping is great. Now, I have several points to make.

First, as stated above, I do leave tips, and I usually top well, most of the time in the 20% range. But keep in mind that I only tip because it's a social norm and I like to be nice, not because I think it's necessarily the right thing to do.

Second, I'm sorry if you think I'm an asshole for saying that tipping is "morally wrong". I should have chosen my words a little better... I guess I meant that it doesn't seem fair that some people get tips and others don't.

Third, to strengthen my second argument, think about this. I have a friend who works at a call centre. He gets crapped on every night by customers... but he always has to keep patient and be nice at all times. But he never gets tips. What makes a restuarant worker more deserving to get tips than other people in more stressful occupations?

Posted by Marc Jubainville on February 3rd, 2004 at 1:57 pm AST

Hey Brad,

As for the call centre thing, well I've been there, done that, still doing it. The reason we tip the customer service people is mainly the wages. People who work in call centers tend to make twice as much hourly money as someone who is working for minimum wage delivering pizza or waiting tables. As I understand it, Tipping is largely because of the poor wages. I usually tip well if the person is really nice, prompt, etc, or if the person is a girl and she's really cute... :D

Posted by hector on February 20th, 2004 at 1:51 pm AST [email]

Tipping, the great American ripoff. Do you tip your doctor,lawyer,priest,policeman,or any other number of people ,who throught your given day service your needs. And don't give me that crap about good service in a restaurant. Do you mean to tell me that if I go into a good restaurant the waiter is going to know,BEFOREHAND, that I will or will not leave a tip. No they will simply bring me my food and then ,because their employer pays them minimum wage , they hope I will make up the difference with a tip. If there is no tip left they wil get angry after the bill is paid. This shows that the tip is expected and not necessarily earned. How else was I going to get my food. Go in the kitchen and pick it up myself. Go to any counter service business and ask for a product that they keep behind the counter out of reach. The counter person will give you the product,that you are going to pay for and that is it. Go in a donut shop and ask for a coffee to go. The person pours the coffee and gives it to you. Why should you have to pay for the coffee and pay to have it served to you? TIPPING SUCKS and is simply a method whereby employers reduce their costs. EXAMPLE you are in a restaurant that sells a steak dinner for normally $21.95. But because this eater has a rule of no tipping the price on the menu is $24.95. You don't know the difference and the $3.00 differnce is given to the waiter. This would be the same for all the listing on the menu . At the end of the meal when the bill arrives you are more than happy to pay because there is no extra tip to pay and the waiter still made his extra money. Also the employers should offer incentives to the waiters to sell drinks ,wines desserts etc and and again they would share the extra money. TIPPING IS AN EASY WAY FOR EMPLOYERS TO PAY LOW SALARIES AND MAKE MORE MONEY.You pay $8.00 for a drink at a barand the bartender still expects you to leave him a tip for giving you the drink. Why because he had to make it? What about a bottle of beer? Because he had to take the top off. TIPPING IS A BUNCH OF CRAP

Posted by The Guy from Rio on February 20th, 2004 at 9:32 pm AST

In Brasil, the tip is normally 10% at the restaurants,and in the state of Rio de Janeiro,which i live,you HAVE to give the tip(is a law,and the restaurant can sue you),which is divided between the waiter and the persons that doesn't work with the costumers-the people who cook,clean the dishes,etc-.The wages of a waiter in USA are the wages of a executive,compared to a brazilian waiter,but this law is ridicule.
I have no problem in tipping when i am satisfied with the service
and the food,but i want to have a choice.

Posted by Jenn on February 21st, 2004 at 1:18 am AST

I can understand why people don't like to tip and think they are only paying for services other people, whom you are not expected to tip, do without thought of recompensation.
Because it became commonplace to tip waiters in restaurants, other people who give personal serv ice now expect tips (i.e. hairdressers, barristas, etc.) Unlike cofffee shop workers and hairdressers, I, as a waitress do NOT make minimum wage or slightly above it. I make $2.13 per hour and there is nothing left after taxes in my check. So my sole money comes froms tips and only tips (unless you think it is possible to live off the $18.00 check i get every other week. While you may not like the practice it has been going on for decades in our society. THe only way to change this is to make tipping unacceptable...If servers were to be paid on the same level as your local 7-11 employee all the food in every restaurant would cost twice as much. Restaurants keep their prices as low as possible and still make a profit. As for the tech support call center people, whom I agree take a lot of crap, they get paid at least $8-10 per hour and more than likely get more than 35 hours per week. They can support themselves on their salary without tips.
By the way...for those of you who do not tip waiters because you dont think you should have to...you also dont have to go out...since tipping a waiter is a common and expected practice in this society it is extremely unfair to "stiff" someone because you are cheap...you understand the practices of this society...if you dont like them..do NOT put yourself in a position where you have to tolerate them (i.e. going out to dinner) DOnt want to cook? Then get Takeout. If you dont tip because your protesting the practice...you only hurt the server who waited on you and have done nothing to change the practice. Every time soemone stiffs me -- it costs me money, Servers generally have to "tip out" 2.5- 3.0% of their total sales to bartenders and busboys...So when you dont tip me I still have to pay someone else on the amount of money your bill amounted to.
Bitching about the common practice of tipping does nothing to change the practice..it just encourages people to not tip...i hope none of my customers have been reading your opinions.

Posted by phill on March 15th, 2004 at 1:49 am AST [email] [website]

Tipping is not a city in China

View my webpage to see what happens when people dont feel like tipping.

Posted by Veriria on July 27th, 2004 at 6:39 pm AST [email] [website]

Well, since last I posted, I've gotten another job. I'm a server on board amtrak trains, much like a waitress in a restaurant, in the dining car on the 'long haul' trains. Its very nice!

Ahem, anyways. Can you believe that people STILL stiff wait staff on board the trains? Not only do we work about 18 hours in a row with very little time off in between meal periods much like servers everywhere, but we eat, sleep, and live on board these trains for 4-6 days at a time! No family, no friends, no fun time at all during these times. And people still stiff or leave terrible tips.

Its a damn good thing we don't get paid minimum wage :P If you are a server or bartender, check out http://jobs.amtrak.com if you'd like to appyly for a job on amtrak. Haha. it does suck when you get people who do not appreciate you, but there are more people who do, which is always pleasent.

Cheers

Veriria

Posted by Veriria on September 1st, 2004 at 10:15 pm AST [email] [website]

"Do you tip your doctor,lawyer,priest,policeman,or any other number of people ,who throught your given day service your needs."

Do you KNOW how much doctors, lawyers, priests, policemen, and people with the same jobs, actually MAKE? You are OBLIGATED to pay them so much money because they are CHARGING for their services.

Maybe waiters, waitresses and pizza delivery drivers should add an extra surcharge for their services rendered? Because if you don't tip them, you are stealing their services (they aren't being nice to you for nothing! TIP = to insure promptness. Next time they see you in their section or your house address comes up and they know you don't tip, don't expect better service...)
You might start cooking for yourself then mate, if you were obligated to pay it instead of doing it out of the goodness of your heart ;)

BTW...If you still pizza delivery drivers, don't forget this one essential peice of information. They have your address, your phone number, and heaven forbid, your credit card number and experation date. Lets just hope if you do stiff them, that they have good moral characters. I worked at a pizza place, and all my chums were good people (it would have been quite easy to do nasty things to the people that stiffed them every time!).

If you aren't going to tip, don't steal the services of the people serving you. Cook for your own fat self or get take out.

Posted by Yahshi on September 12th, 2004 at 9:19 pm AST [email]

In my etymolgy studies, I found that in Old English TIPS used to stand for To Insure Proper Service as well as TIP: To Insure Promptness...

As a Human Resource/Payroll Manager, I had to keep up with the changing US wage and labor laws. As noted by someone before, most bartenders, waitstaff, busboys etc. make a small wage plus tips to equal the US minimum wage. If someone was not to make enough tips that night to bring them up to the the minimum wage per hour for the hours worked, the establishment is SUPPOSED to make up the difference. Unfortunately, there are many establishments that break the law in this area. Then they wonder why turnover is so high!

~Peace!



Posted by Yahshi on September 12th, 2004 at 9:21 pm AST [email]

In my etymolgy studies, I found that in Old English TIPS used to stand for To Insure Proper Service as well as TIP: To Insure Promptness...

As a Human Resource/Payroll Manager, I had to keep up with the changing US wage and labor laws. As noted by someone before, most bartenders, waitstaff, busboys etc. make a small wage plus tips to equal the US minimum wage. If someone was not to make enough tips that night to bring them up to the the minimum wage per hour for the hours worked, the establishment is SUPPOSED to make up the difference. Unfortunately, there are many establishments that break the law in this area. Then they wonder why turnover is so high!

~Peace!



Posted by Tyrex on November 18th, 2004 at 2:09 pm AST [email]

And how about people who force you to pay tips.

e.g.
I deliberately didn't leave any tips for the maid on the first night of my hotel stay and guess what, I found out my remote was not working (because the maid replaced it with a faulty one). My room window was left open to let all the cold in when I returned and there were no tissues left in toilet. And this was a $200/day hotel, not something cheap.
I got a nice working remote and toilet tissues when I tipped the day after

I am sure the tip thing is a menace and has gone too far. People
have started forcing customers into tipping using such tactics. Everybody thinks their normal job is actually extra service and without tips they only give below normal service. It would be definitely better to have a legal 10-20% service charge added to your bills and abolish the tips.

Actually adding a service charge would even aggravate the problem since people would still expect tips....just outrageous.


Posted by Justin MacLeod on November 22nd, 2004 at 8:24 pm AST

I normally tip on special occasions out (most normally, a dinner in the evening) since this is a luxury, a special meal with wine etc, an "evening out". During such occasions I base my tip on the level of service -- for terrible service, I tip nothing. For standard service, I'll normally tip around 10%. For excellent service, I will tip very graciously upwards of 25% sometimes, especially if we have a large table of people and the server has done a fantastic job of taking care of us. I truly believe the tip should be a reward for, and should promote, service above and beyond.

For lunch meals during the workday, I normally don't tip as I feel this is a "necessity", a basic lunch, a working man eating his lunch, done day in and day out, and as such is really part of my cost of just earning my living (ie, I gotta eat lunch every day!) However if I do feel the server has done a great job, more than just what is "expected" of them, I will certainly leave a tip.

I like the idea of choice and freedom. People choose to work certain jobs and know what to expect by making that choice. People also have the choice and freedom to leave a tip or not as they see fit. I like that! And I also really like the idea of a great job deserving extra pay, and a rotten job getting it's excellent and well deserved just reward ;)

As to the comments about "societal norms" and "tipping to be nice" -- I would recommend to everyone to make up their own mind, don't let others pressure you! Just my two cents!

:j



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all you black women do all day is preach BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL then go to the salon to get your eyes face and hair and eyes done, then leave with contact lense....giving you that european look ....then have the nerves to utter "black is beautiful" what hypocracy

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Black women always seem to present themselves as being proud of who they are in all aspects, yet their ego always seem to get the best of them, perfect example “Beyonce” a beautiful aspiring black talent in America with tremendous vocal abilities. Beyonce singing and charismatic temperament has brought fame and fortune to her arena and her outstanding touch of beauty is by far amongst the top in the black community...
However we seem to be missing the true ethical essence of her foundational fame..
Based on general fact you all would realize that 90% of Beyonce’s photos all seem to present this European image, now am I wrong or am I right??
You’re such a proud black woman yet you’re walking around with blonde hair and blue contact lenses?
Where’s the proud black woman if you need the European image to compete in today’s world??
Sometimes I wonder what’s up with these black women walking around with blonde hair and contact lenses.
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I’ve gotten so many emails claiming that I’m a prejudice mother lover and that I need to go back into my mother’s womb, why is so many people offended by facts?

Nothing on this website is based on personal opinions, it’s all based on facts that we see everyday and is scared to open our mouth and speak.

Beyonce does not have a black image, she has the image of a European woman.

The most electrifying thing about this entire scenario is when Black men go after white woman the typical Black woman consider’s them a sellout.

How interesting when it’s you the one desperately seeking to have the European image and coming to think of the entire concept.

WHY WOULD A BLACK MAN GO AFTER ONE OF THESE ARTIFICAL WOMEN WHEN THEY CAN GET THE REAL THING?

http://www.blacktruth.net
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I AM SEEKING A NEW ROOMATE FOR MY APPARTMENT,, I AM A WHITE JEWISH AND I PREFER WHITE WOMEN ONLY....TO ALL YOU BLACK WOMEN REPLYING TO MY POST PLEASE STOP..........................
I DON'T SHARE WITH BLACK WOMEN CAUSE YOU ALL ARE NASTY, DIRTY AND UNCLEAN, AND I REALLY CANNOT STAND BEING AROUND YOU BREED OF WOMEN............
.....EVEN BLACK MEN TELL ME YOU ALL ARE NASTY MATERIALISTIC BAD ATTITUDE DOGS..
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FACTS HERE..........FACTS HERE
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WHY CAN'T YOU BLACK WOMEN GO TO THE GYM AND WORK OUT AND LOSE SOME WEIGHT? YOU ALL ARE SO OUT OF SHAPE AND UGLY, I CAN'T BELIEVE MEN ACTUALLY DATE YOU ALL......DID YOU BLACK WOMEN REALIZE THAT YOU ALL ARE THE HIGHEST CAUSE OF AIDS IN AMERICA??? YOU BLACK WOMEN ARE LOW CLASS AND PROMISCUOUS AND THE ONES THAT ARE EDUCATED ARE USUALLY EDUCATED JACKASS AND MATERIALISTIC...DID YOU REALIZE THAT THERE'S VERY FEW DARK SKIN WOMEN IN THE MEDIA OR ON TELEVISION??? WANT TO KNOW WHY?? YOU ALL ARE NOT MARKETABLE AND PUTTING A DARK SKIN WOMAN ON THE MEDIA GIVES THE MEDIA A GHETTO OUTLOOK.....THAT'S WHY BLACK WOMEN HAVE TO WEAR CONTACT LENSES AND BLONDE WEAVE TO GET AHEAD IN LIFE.........WHY THE CHRIST LORD WOULD A BLACK MAN DATE A BLACK WOMAN WITH CONTACT LENSE AND BLONDE WEAVE AND HE CAN GO OUT THERE AND GET A REAL FINE LOOKING WHITE WOMAN............
..MORE POWER TO THE WHITE ANGELS OF THE EARTH
WWW.BLACKTRUTH.NET
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BUT YOU ALL ARE AND THE LOWEST BREED OF OF WOMEN ON THE PLANET ARE THE DARK SKIN OVERWEIGHT ONES, THEY ARE N4STY D1SGUST1NG ST1NT D1RTY AND UGLY, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD DATE AN OVERWEIGHT DARK SKIN WOMAN...AND 99% OF THEM DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE FAT, THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE HUSKY, THICK OR BIG AND BEAUTIFUL..I SWEAR TO GOD ALL THESE OVERWEIGHT DARK
SKIN WOMEN LOOK LIKE "SHREK 2"
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BET IS VERY PREJUDICE, FUNNY HOW PEOPLE POST SO MANY THINGS ABOUT WHITES, CHINESE, INDIANS, ASIANS, HISPANICS AND ALL OTHER RACES BUT APPARENTLY WHEN PEOPLE STAT MESSING WITH BLACK WOMEN THEY SAW THE NEED TO SHUT DOWN THEIR FORUMS, WELL I GOT GOOD NEWS FOR YOU "BET.COM" YOU CAN SHUT DOWN YOUR FORUMS, YOU CAN SHUT DOWN MY ACCOUNT, AND YOU CAN GO AS FAR AND BANN MY IP, GUESS WHAT?????? I WILL KEEP COMING BACK AND I PLAN TO SPEND A VERY VERY LONG TIME ON THESE MESSAGE BOARDS BECAUSE THE TRUTH MUST COME OUT ANC BLACK PEOPLE NEEDS TO HEAR IT...I SAID IT A WEEK AGO AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, BLACK WOMEN PROBLEM IS THAT THEY TRY SO HARD TO LOOK LIKE A EUROPEAN WOMAN AND IT MAKES YOU ALL LOOK INFERIOR, YOU HAVE BLACK WOMEN PERMING THEIR 9yr OLD DAUGHTERS HAIR AND YOU WANT TO TELL ME BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL????????BLACK WOMEN NEEDS TO COME TO THE REALIZATION THAT THEY ARE INFERIOR AND THEY CAN NEVER LOOK ANYTHING CLOSE TO A BEAUTIFUL WHITE WOMEN,,, ALL BLACK WOMEN ARE GOOD FOR IS S3X AND MAKING BABIES..............DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL
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Posted by Anonymous on November 30th, 2004 at 10:39 am AST

THIS WAS AN EMAIL SOMEONE SENT ME TELLING ME ABOUT YOU NA3TY BLACK WH0RES.......................................some of you black girls are a mess. me and my friends decided to go see a movie today which was Sherk by the way. the movie was good i recommend everyone see it. but anywho everyone was silently watching movie until a group black girls came in and let me just say that they let everyone know they were coming, they were so loud and obnoxious and there cell phones was ringing. you could hear one of the girls conversation over the phone. one of her friends were like shh you're talking to loud and she responded, i dont care about these white folks. so me and my friends were like oh god, i hope they dont start talking and yelling during the movie. we were sitting one row from up from the back and they decided to come back there were we was and sit behind us. now im not a racist but when you have people putting there feet on the back of the chairs and kicking them then that becomes a big issue. so me and my friends decided to get up and leave becuz they would'nt get there feet off my friends chair. after me moved they started shouting nasty commets at us like you redneck white bitches and stuff like that and they kept going on and on. so i was like oh shut the hell up so we can watch the freakin movie god. and then one of the girls start getting loud and cussing at me and i was like shut up because everyone was looking and they were throwing popcorn at us, so we decided to get up and leave because they were being big jerks. .............................................THIS EMAIL EAS SENT TO ME IN REPLIES TO MY POSTING ON THESE MESSAGE BOARDS, APPARENTLY SOMEONE AGREES THAT BLACK WOMEN ARE LOW CLASS WITH NA3TY ATTITUDES.........
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I dated a black girl a while back and everytime we got into an argument she would yell and scream and had such a bad nasty attitude, all 4 of the black women i dated had real nasty attitudes, you know what i did??? i beat those women like there was no tomorrow, one actually called the cops for me cause i knocked out a few of her teeth...
i spend a night behind bars but i came out, lately i've been dating white women and i don't have that problem anymore......
i would beat and knock down any black woman i go around cause they deserve it, i think there should be a law where a man can have legal rights to punch a woman in her face stomach and knock her teeth out her mouth cause BLACK WOMEN AND THIER NA3TY ATTITUDES NEED SOME DISIPLINE

ALL YOU FU3KING BLACK WOMEN MAKE ME SICK TO THE STOMACH, YOU ARE ALL INTERESTED IN MONEY AND THE ONLY THING YOU BLACK WOMEN ARE GOOD FOR IS GIVING GOOD SEX AND MAKING TONS OF BABIES.....BET AND MTV PROJECTS A BAD BAD BAD IMAGE OF YOU BLACK WOMEN...YOU ALL ARE ALWAYS IN VIDEOS SHOWING YOUR NASTY BODIES AND THEN YOU WONDER WHY BLACK MEN DATE WHITE WOMEN???? ITS BECAUSE BEING WITH A BLACK WOMAN IN AMERICA GIVES YOU NO POWER OR LEVERAGE OR RESPECT....WITH A WHITE WOMAN YOU GET MORE POWER, CLASS, AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE IS MUCH BETTER ...AND WELL OFCOURSE THEY ARE A HIGHER BREED AND CLASS OF WOMEN......
.......I LOVE BILL CROSBY...
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How come 90% of the white women in the interracial dating Chat Room got kids for black men and 90% of them are usually single, divorced or looking, they’re usually uneducated and the only answer they have is “Fuck You Mother Fucker” www.blacktruth.net Only answer “White Trash” they are not what you would call classy white women

YOU ALL CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH THATS WHY 90% OF YOU ALL UNDER 25 ARE SINGLE PARENTS, CAUSE YOU ALL ARE MATERIALISTIC....BLACK WOMEN ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT A MAN CAN DO FOR THEM AND NOT WHAT YOU AND THAT MAN CAN DO TOGETHER................DEAL WITH IT.....
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I AM A VERY PROUD WHITE WOMAN AND I LIVE IN ENGLAND AND DURING MY TIME HERE I NOTICE THAT ALOT OF BLACK WOMEN COPY MY LIFE STYLE, THEY DYE THEIR HAIR BLONDE, THEY WALK AROUND IN BLUE, GREEN AND BROWN CONTACT LENSES, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO LOOK WHITE...... WHEN I LOOK AT THAT I DO FEEL SUPERIOR TO ALL YOU BLACK WOMEN OUT THERE....MORE ABOUT YOU INFERIOR CREATURES

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Men prefer Asians, Chinese, Indians, mixed and white women before a BLACK WOMAN, they are the last of sexual preference by 90% of men in the world, basically they just cannot compete with their contact lense and false hair, big lips and broad faces and dark skin..
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it doesn't appear as if you're into having an intellectual articulate intelligent discussion grown discussion it seems like you're more into bashing and slaughtering my opinions

black women with blue contact and blonde hair walking saying "Black is Beautiful" what hypocrites www.blacktruth.net


Black women got issues, black women got attitudes, black women got loud mouths, the typical black woman is very ghetto, the typical black woman is ignorant, arrogant prejudice and inferior, i prefer white women cause they typical classy white Love Fine Antiques, Distinguished Art, Paintings, Broadway Musicals, Classical Rock, Jazz, Melodious Orchestrated Harmonious Melodies & Techno Music and the average black woman likes "CLUBBING" i love white women
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you can never be white black women.....BLACK MEN JUST LOVE US CAUSE YOU ALL ARE TO INFERIOR AND CAN NEVER WALK IN THE WHITE GIRL SHOES....YOU BIG UGLY ARTIFICIAL CREATURES, EVEN BLACK MEN SAY THAT YOU BLACK WOMEN GOT NASTY ATTITUDES.......



if you black women are so proud to be black and black is beautiful "why perm your hair? why put weaves? why put horse hair? why dye your hair blonde? why put braides? why put contact lense? why wear tons of heavy makeups?
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you black women are so proud to be black but 97% of you isn't satisfied with your natural born given black hair god gave you
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you black women claim to be so proud but don't even go to the gym to look a little attractive but hate when a black man dating a fine physically fit white woman
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you black women say black is beautiful but everyone of you put chemical in your hair to make it soft....................
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90% of black women under 25 is already single parents, it is out numbered in comparison to all other races, now what does that tell you about black women and their attitudes?
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show me one natural black woman in this room and i will shut my mouth, show me one, natural hair, NATURAL HAIR no makeup no contact lense and i will SHUT MY MOUTH
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all you black women do all day is preach BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL then go to the salon to get your eyes face and hair and eyes done, then leave with contact lense....giving you that european look ....then have the nerves to utter "black is beautiful" what hypocracy

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all you black women do all day is preach BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL then go to the salon to get your eyes face and hair and eyes done, then leave with contact lense....giving you that european look ....then have the nerves to utter "black is beautiful" what hypocracy

http://www.blacktruth.net
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Black women always seem to present themselves as being proud of who they are in all aspects, yet their ego always seem to get the best of them, perfect example “Beyonce” a beautiful aspiring black talent in America with tremendous vocal abilities. Beyonce singing and charismatic temperament has brought fame and fortune to her arena and her outstanding touch of beauty is by far amongst the top in the black community...
However we seem to be missing the true ethical essence of her foundational fame..
Based on general fact you all would realize that 90% of Beyonce’s photos all seem to present this European image, now am I wrong or am I right??
You’re such a proud black woman yet you’re walking around with blonde hair and blue contact lenses?
Where’s the proud black woman if you need the European image to compete in today’s world??
Sometimes I wonder what’s up with these black women walking around with blonde hair and contact lenses.
http://www.blacktruth.net
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I’ve gotten so many emails claiming that I’m a prejudice mother lover and that I need to go back into my mother’s womb, why is so many people offended by facts?

Nothing on this website is based on personal opinions, it’s all based on facts that we see everyday and is scared to open our mouth and speak.

Beyonce does not have a black image, she has the image of a European woman.

The most electrifying thing about this entire scenario is when Black men go after white woman the typical Black woman consider’s them a sellout.

How interesting when it’s you the one desperately seeking to have the European image and coming to think of the entire concept.

WHY WOULD A BLACK MAN GO AFTER ONE OF THESE ARTIFICAL WOMEN WHEN THEY CAN GET THE REAL THING?

http://www.blacktruth.net
http://www.blacktruth.net
http://www.blacktruth.net
http://www.blacktruth.net
http://www.blacktruth.net
http://www.blacktruth.net

I AM SEEKING A NEW ROOMATE FOR MY APPARTMENT,, I AM A WHITE JEWISH AND I PREFER WHITE WOMEN ONLY....TO ALL YOU BLACK WOMEN REPLYING TO MY POST PLEASE STOP..........................
I DON'T SHARE WITH BLACK WOMEN CAUSE YOU ALL ARE NASTY, DIRTY AND UNCLEAN, AND I REALLY CANNOT STAND BEING AROUND YOU BREED OF WOMEN............
.....EVEN BLACK MEN TELL ME YOU ALL ARE NASTY MATERIALISTIC BAD ATTITUDE DOGS..
.....
FACTS HERE..........FACTS HERE
http://www.blacktruth.net
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WHY CAN'T YOU BLACK WOMEN GO TO THE GYM AND WORK OUT AND LOSE SOME WEIGHT? YOU ALL ARE SO OUT OF SHAPE AND UGLY, I CAN'T BELIEVE MEN ACTUALLY DATE YOU ALL......DID YOU BLACK WOMEN REALIZE THAT YOU ALL ARE THE HIGHEST CAUSE OF AIDS IN AMERICA??? YOU BLACK WOMEN ARE LOW CLASS AND PROMISCUOUS AND THE ONES THAT ARE EDUCATED ARE USUALLY EDUCATED JACKASS AND MATERIALISTIC...DID YOU REALIZE THAT THERE'S VERY FEW DARK SKIN WOMEN IN THE MEDIA OR ON TELEVISION??? WANT TO KNOW WHY?? YOU ALL ARE NOT MARKETABLE AND PUTTING A DARK SKIN WOMAN ON THE MEDIA GIVES THE MEDIA A GHETTO OUTLOOK.....THAT'S WHY BLACK WOMEN HAVE TO WEAR CONTACT LENSES AND BLONDE WEAVE TO GET AHEAD IN LIFE.........WHY THE CHRIST LORD WOULD A BLACK MAN DATE A BLACK WOMAN WITH CONTACT LENSE AND BLONDE WEAVE AND HE CAN GO OUT THERE AND GET A REAL FINE LOOKING WHITE WOMAN............
..MORE POWER TO THE WHITE ANGELS OF THE EARTH
WWW.BLACKTRUTH.NET
WWW.BLACKTRUTH.NET
WWW.BLACKTRUTH.NET
WWW.BLACKTRUTH.NET

BUT YOU ALL ARE AND THE LOWEST BREED OF OF WOMEN ON THE PLANET ARE THE DARK SKIN OVERWEIGHT ONES, THEY ARE N4STY D1SGUST1NG ST1NT D1RTY AND UGLY, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD DATE AN OVERWEIGHT DARK SKIN WOMAN...AND 99% OF THEM DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE FAT, THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE HUSKY, THICK OR BIG AND BEAUTIFUL..I SWEAR TO GOD ALL THESE OVERWEIGHT DARK
SKIN WOMEN LOOK LIKE "SHREK 2"
http://www.blacktruth.net
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BET IS VERY PREJUDICE, FUNNY HOW PEOPLE POST SO MANY THINGS ABOUT WHITES, CHINESE, INDIANS, ASIANS, HISPANICS AND ALL OTHER RACES BUT APPARENTLY WHEN PEOPLE STAT MESSING WITH BLACK WOMEN THEY SAW THE NEED TO SHUT DOWN THEIR FORUMS, WELL I GOT GOOD NEWS FOR YOU "BET.COM" YOU CAN SHUT DOWN YOUR FORUMS, YOU CAN SHUT DOWN MY ACCOUNT, AND YOU CAN GO AS FAR AND BANN MY IP, GUESS WHAT?????? I WILL KEEP COMING BACK AND I PLAN TO SPEND A VERY VERY LONG TIME ON THESE MESSAGE BOARDS BECAUSE THE TRUTH MUST COME OUT ANC BLACK PEOPLE NEEDS TO HEAR IT...I SAID IT A WEEK AGO AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, BLACK WOMEN PROBLEM IS THAT THEY TRY SO HARD TO LOOK LIKE A EUROPEAN WOMAN AND IT MAKES YOU ALL LOOK INFERIOR, YOU HAVE BLACK WOMEN PERMING THEIR 9yr OLD DAUGHTERS HAIR AND YOU WANT TO TELL ME BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL????????BLACK WOMEN NEEDS TO COME TO THE REALIZATION THAT THEY ARE INFERIOR AND THEY CAN NEVER LOOK ANYTHING CLOSE TO A BEAUTIFUL WHITE WOMEN,,, ALL BLACK WOMEN ARE GOOD FOR IS S3X AND MAKING BABIES..............DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL
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Posted by nia on March 14th, 2005 at 4:19 pm AST [email]

my God u all need to change ur views y do u all have so much hate for dark skin, and dark girls? that a huge sterotype men this is the 21st century i dint tink people wld still be talkin like this we all need to grow up beauty is only skin deep and wev gone past the stage of judgin people by the colour of their skin if people want to change the way the look let them i mean if the black girls want to lighten their hair and eyes it is none of ur business afterall it is not affection now is it? i tink u are all hatin on them cos they are recognisin the fact that they are beautiful and structin their stuff and being even more confident than u all and u tink maybe one day they wld take over the beauty scean but u know what evry1 is beautiful.

Posted by Spencer on April 5th, 2005 at 7:07 pm AST

The only thing that really concerns me here is the shameless theft of Quentin Tarantino's concept from the movie Reservior Dogs. This idea that tipping may not be a neccessary part of eating out was covered in all its intricacies more than 10 years ago by Steve Buschemi playing the character "Mr. Pink" in the aforementioned movie. Stop acting like you've had a sudden idea and start giving writers credit for their material.

Posted by Anthony on May 2nd, 2005 at 8:24 am AST [email] [website]

This was a very interesting blog topic, and sad to see how it has to end with the lil Spam post.

Why do the majority of the American ppl feel obligated to give a waitor/waitress a tip when these ppl who do don't feel obligated to donate to charity to starving child in developing countries? This is a question I raised to my Moral debate and Philosphy class and it was quite a interesting one.

I had to make a 10-15 minute presentation on the issue of wolrd hunger and poverty, and when I explained my view, a lot of people were quite interested and actually decided to lean on my side. That tipping is just a way for employers to have an excuse to pay their service people a less wager for their job.

Posted by Veriria on June 7th, 2005 at 1:33 am AST [email]

Unfortunetly, comparing the tipping of waiters to the donating of monies to 3rd world countries is like...Pardon the cliche, comparing apples and oranges. If you don't like tipping, stop the practice and make restaurants charge the full amount for their meals. Mhhmm - Domino's Pizza, cheese only, for lets say, $35. Sound good eh?

Posted by bals on June 14th, 2005 at 12:58 pm AST

Industry survival is not dependent on tipping but sales and profits. So when things start costing 2-3 times, alternatives are discovered/invented. Tipping is basically an expression of satisfaction of the service received above expectation.

Posted by Veriria on September 23rd, 2005 at 1:52 pm AST [email] [website]

Eh, if restaurants started paying thier servers what they are worth (how they still get away with only paying them just enough to cover taxes, I'll never understand...Who wants to make 2.00 or so an hour, and depend on the tips? Not me! sorry I digress...) your meals would cost A LOT more.

And unfortunetly, I don't think there would be any alternative save paying their servers only $2.15 or so an hour again. Which means, you had better well tip your waiter or waitress. If you go back to the same place chances are you will get the same server - and they remember if you don't tip or not.

I tip very well. I've learned that if you tip well, it doesn't matter what you look like (i.e. GOTH) you will still get damn good service, because the person knows you tip well (and I do not 'run' my servers, either). If I get shitty service, I give exactly 15% of the bill as the tip. That way the jackasses will know I will tip next time I see them. If I happen to get the same person next time and their attitude is still shitty, I will not tip and I will notify a manager.

If I get good service, I'll do 20-25% of the bill as a tip. If I get uber great service, I'll do $20 even. I don't go out to fancy restaurants just family type restaurants, but since by nature I dress dark/gothic, sometimes you get assholes who think negatively and who stereotype for some lame ass reason. My favorite restaurant is Friday's out in Merrillville, IN - the people there are always so nice!


Posted by Gabcho on December 14th, 2005 at 7:26 pm AST

I come from another country where tips don't exist, just people doing their work in a proper manner. For me tips are wrong. I don't think that people have to receive tips for doing their work, even if they do it efficiently. People in the US are so accustomed to give tips that now it is a sin if you don’t do it. I think that people of this country learn to be compensated since they are in the school. The teacher always given something extra for the effort children do. When I was a student I did receive gratification, my grades, where my effort where reflected. I know that many people don’t earn enough money like waitresses, for instance, but that is the fault of the people who hire them to do the job. Have you think how much money restaurants make based on their employees? So, start from there.

Posted by veriria on December 28th, 2005 at 9:51 pm AST [email]

Gabcho, the problem is that waitresses are paid roughly $2.15 an hour in the United States, so they depend on their tips to make their hourly wages. They don't even get paid a minimum wage. That $2.15 goes towards the taxes they would pay - therefore they don't see THAT money.

It is a nice idea that we should start with our restaurants, but it would be very hard to try to make a law that states waitresses should be paid what they are worth.

I make a good amount of money per hour working on the trains, but I also get tips. If I didn't make the amount of money I do make (and seriously, I should get paid more for this job...) I wouldn't work this. I am away from home, family, and everything for six days at a time. I can't just saunter on down to the local bar after my 19 hour shift (the 2nd and 5th days are the killers...) all I can do is go to my little room and sleep, to wake up again at 5 am to open my cafe back up at 6 am XD A LOT of people can't handle the job I have. Thus why I get tipped for it. Would you like to go 3 days on a train which offers no meal service at all? thats a lot of extra food and drink to carry on the train with you!

Posted by LMack71 on January 2nd, 2006 at 4:01 am AST

Speaking from a Canadian perspective, we DO have a minimum wage that means just that. You can not be paid less than it per hour legally. It's currently $6.80 /hr where I live . We don't tier our jobs so some get the wage and some don't. That makes no sense. It also makes no sense to call it minimum wage if someone is making less per hour don't you think? (but I digress).
The fact that serving staff still obviously expect tips here kind of deflates the arguments that wait staff live off of their tips. Some bartenders I know make well over $100 a night in tips and get paid an hourly wage as well. During the busy summer tourist trap season, many waitresses make out similarly and coast trough the lean months of the year on their summer loot.
I personally think the entire tipping scheme is outmoded and divisive. Why tip a waitress and not the fellow who pumped your gas or did your drycleaning?
Just my two cents.

Posted by Joe on February 6th, 2006 at 3:25 am AST [email]

It angers me that people dont understand the concept of tipping. I am a waiter. My employer pays me $4.00 an hour. I live in NY. That is below minimum wage. On top of that i am expected to tip the bartender 5% of my bar sales, 1.5% of my sales go to the people at the door seating, .5%of my sales go to the salad bar attendant, bus boys and foodrunners get 1%. from me. if i am stiffed, its actually costing me money to serve you. if your bill is $100 and i get no tip, i'm tipping out $4 plus any bar drinks. My shifts sometimes run 10 hours without a break and if we didnt get tips i dont think that there would be many people choosing a waitering job. It seems easy but at times it's very difficult....i do think that if the service you get sucks, leave a bad tip. but at least not be upset that you have to tip the good servers. if there was no tipping i'm sure that prices would be much hire b/c i dont know any waiter or waitress that would work for less than $15 an hour, as compared to our $4 an hour plus tips...i give everyone my best service becuase you do not know who is gonna tip or not. if you give a bad tip i think you should leave a not about what was wrong with the service. also i dont think people know but to-go servers should be tipped a dollar or two, especially if they bring your food out to your car because they are getting minimum wage too. Also i dont know if everyone knows this but the IRS expects us to get tipped at least 8% of our sales AFTER tip out. we are taxed on at least 8% of our sales which comes out of our paycheck. some weeks my paycheck is $10......if yall dont wanna tip, go to fast food, the cashier spends 30 seconds on you and that what you pay for.

Posted by Veriria on March 28th, 2006 at 2:41 pm AST [email]

"Why tip a waitress and not the fellow who pumped your gas or did your drycleaning? Just my two cents."

Because in the United States, some restaurants and places like that get away with paying their servers as low as $2.15 an hour (I know some who make that much) because they assume they will be tipped (which is still wrong), although you KNOW they will not change the system. If they were actually forced to pay servers and delivery drivers (like pizza delivery drivers) what they were worth, those businesses would go OUT of business. Haha.

BTW, all gas stations in the US are pretty much self serve now. And as for the drycleaning, they get paid for their jobs, unlike waitresses.

You need to use that space above your neck a wee bit more often.

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Posted by tippycanoe on May 19th, 2006 at 3:11 pm AST

Tipping is a tradition that was started back in the day when service people were not paid an hourly wage and made their living off what customers tipped them. Why has this tradition continued on when service people are now paid hourly? I know waitresses who make 8 bucks an hour plus tips. After a ten hour shift it works out to 18.00 an hour before taxes! For serving food!